From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19200: Point adjustment moves *into* invisible text Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:49:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87mvpskb84.fsf@web.de> <87io0gbmpl.fsf@web.de> <87d1qnevco.fsf@web.de> <83h9fz65ze.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3f24gbk.fsf@gnu.org> <83egb24a5y.fsf@gnu.org> <83vb4d2pkt.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1459029444 7299 80.91.229.3 (26 Mar 2016 21:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, jonas@bernoul.li, 19200@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 26 22:57:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwCl-0000EO-O1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:57:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwCk-0005Wq-HJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:57:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwCh-0005Wh-D3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwCc-0003pp-B0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwCc-0003pg-7N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwCb-0001lG-VL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19200 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19200-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19200.14590293766711 (code B ref 19200); Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19200) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Mar 2016 21:56:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwBs-0001kB-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf0-f179.google.com ([209.85.192.179]:36817) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajwBr-0001jz-2Q for 19200@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf0-f179.google.com with SMTP id u190so107651881pfb.3 for <19200@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=suUQQPbHL47sFHm9EPVzVDOZxR4UC3GTglwImekt5YM=; b=gyd9Cpl5nJqBtkvWZUyEQdFSCAER4eSxx7iFGeLrYfCyogjANygReBpYOQ25izSptj fi3jELEUqUWy784xuzVbf3YpQS4wCOjwfUy+gRfhtGUNnx6hQg3IzPNmvr0Sg1cPxByz BcH+sAVQnFNM1ZXj1F6O8Brft4yIVnsK4zjryF166JDJSP/+jt/k3TPcoEXNbVCx6K41 kuuljwWPc3ZWepdL3ONxSmlq9uwI4ZdBwvhUfzyhjnls2kRhBNNMGyvW7fPV7NRh9mRM suRQxIwxKZoer5tpZzcpmvVc4slfV6Tivr5Wh3AWlowqY7mr8wWuJ47Y0ezGx5fLm4rs adjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=suUQQPbHL47sFHm9EPVzVDOZxR4UC3GTglwImekt5YM=; b=knNBsTbpkb/RSkOxi1NKsKSz6bFnxuwvOsnV1fGnBKT9AJ8dULNFTqSvZAvKEPwJvM DOuMOiM/gb+N87Wb8BiIpIfaLjDms+sGoJEipvQ1Eqcc0LvcaT4g0tz15PmVtm+W7AEU qGRFvXQNxK+6lOopydrN0JI/84AhRAo6c2t/4LLNTqjXGEbKDE0uHBVBecZ4bQYETWzk oQIQy6e5Kc9bBLPVGrvnV5u50RVZ+U8FX9QniYW09GbGpxN751YdQ7h8N5+GCIsuQz1u QAlPtqHIVB4zDLCdkFw8F3l1Cv77WtRUxkU7fXwkxPOHAdYm6qB0FYiOfoo0LgN3S1ls JXzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL3NULQOuapW/6THR/df5VJtcCe9d1jL4o32Qm90xCd+W3TJqHBb9zL+a3kbNDIfw== X-Received: by 10.98.66.155 with SMTP id h27mr31229084pfd.91.1459029369242; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Hermes.local (mail.johnwiegley.com. [208.82.103.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f65sm25157944pfd.47.2016.03.26.14.56.07 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 80BD64FB3763; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:56:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:32:29 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115520 Archived-At: >>>>> Stefan Monnier writes: > E.g. if you use overlays to make the text invisible, then (by default) the > position's invisibility is the same as the following character's (which is > what you seem to like). For text-properties, by default it's the reverse > (i.e. the position's visibility is the same as the *preceding* character). This certainly sounds like an unfortunate discrepancy. How historical is it? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2