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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o29sm5416159pgn.28.2016.12.02.00.12.43 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:12:43 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0CDCA486B208; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 00:12:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Matt Armstrong's message of "Thu, 01 Dec 2016 01:03:46 -0800") Mail-Followup-To: Matt Armstrong , Daniel Colascione , Eli Zaretskii , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209909 Archived-At: >>>>> "MA" == Matt Armstrong writes: MA> I'm not an Emacs maintainer, and can't speak as one. But, I play a similar MA> role at work, and can tell you that the technical issues at play in these MA> conflicts you have with Emacs maintainers are secondary. At their core, MA> these discussions are all about trust. You don't fully trust the MA> maintainers, and they don't fully trust you (hopefully "yet" on both MA> accounts). This was a really wonderful post, Matt. I hope it's OK if I share it with some friends who also maintain large projects. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2