* Oldest Emacs alive @ 2018-06-30 18:23 Lars Brinkhoff 2018-06-30 20:16 ` Paul Eggert 2018-07-01 15:45 ` Joshua Branson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2018-06-30 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel FYI, I have TECO EMACS 24 from November 1976 running. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-06-30 18:23 Oldest Emacs alive Lars Brinkhoff @ 2018-06-30 20:16 ` Paul Eggert 2018-06-30 20:31 ` Lars Brinkhoff 2018-07-01 15:45 ` Joshua Branson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Paul Eggert @ 2018-06-30 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Brinkhoff, emacs-devel Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > FYI, I have TECO EMACS 24 from November 1976 running. Cool! How fast is it? Did you use it to compose and send that email? :-) Perhaps we should mention TECO EMACS in etc/HISTORY, with an URL to a web page that contains the details (is there such a page?). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-06-30 20:16 ` Paul Eggert @ 2018-06-30 20:31 ` Lars Brinkhoff 2018-07-01 8:17 ` Uwe Brauer ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2018-06-30 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Paul Eggert; +Cc: emacs-devel Paul Eggert wrote: > Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >> FYI, I have TECO EMACS 24 from November 1976 running. > Cool! How fast is it? Did you use it to compose and send that email? :-) It's fine for entering and editing text. But then it's running in a PDP-10 emulator which is probably faster than the original hardware. I don't think there was a TECO package for sending email in 1976. :-) Recall that EMACS just got started earlier that year. > Perhaps we should mention TECO EMACS in etc/HISTORY, with an URL to a > web page that contains the details (is there such a page?). I just got this running, so I haven't made any proper documentation yet. Some details are in a GitHub issue, and the files will be in my Emacs history repository. http://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/887 http://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-06-30 20:31 ` Lars Brinkhoff @ 2018-07-01 8:17 ` Uwe Brauer 2018-07-02 1:31 ` Filipp Gunbin 2018-07-01 15:39 ` Paul Eggert 2018-07-02 7:32 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-07-01 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 797 bytes --] >>> "Lars" == Lars Brinkhoff <lars@nocrew.org> writes: > Paul Eggert wrote: > http://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/887 > http://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history I just visited the last link. Three comments. 1. The dates for XEmacs should be, at least, 1994-2015. That was the year (I think it was October when Steve Turnbull proposed to close the project). I am however not sure about 1994, according to my memory it should be 1992. 2. Aidan Kehoe continues to send patches to xemacs-beta and releases xemacs 21.5. So you maybe you should talk to him whether Xemacs is really dead or not. Maybe this concerns only the 21.4.X series. 3. You might consider to mention SXemacs, a 21.4 fork. Uwe Brauer [-- Attachment #2: smime.p7s --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 5025 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-07-01 8:17 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2018-07-02 1:31 ` Filipp Gunbin 2018-07-02 9:52 ` Fabrice Popineau 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Filipp Gunbin @ 2018-07-02 1:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 722 bytes --] On 01/07/2018 10:17 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > 1. The dates for XEmacs should be, at least, 1994-2015. That was the > year (I think it was October when Steve Turnbull proposed to > close the project). I am however not sure about 1994, according > to my memory it should be 1992. > > 2. Aidan Kehoe continues to send patches to xemacs-beta and releases > xemacs 21.5. So you maybe you should talk to him whether Xemacs > is really dead or not. Maybe this concerns only the 21.4.X > series. I wonder if there are any good technical ideas/solutions which were done in XEmacs and could be added in GNU Emacs.. That would require, of course, good knowledge of both. Filipp [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-07-02 1:31 ` Filipp Gunbin @ 2018-07-02 9:52 ` Fabrice Popineau 2018-07-02 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Fabrice Popineau @ 2018-07-02 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Filipp Gunbin; +Cc: Emacs developers [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 931 bytes --] 2018-07-02 3:31 GMT+02:00 Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm>: > On 01/07/2018 10:17 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > > > 1. The dates for XEmacs should be, at least, 1994-2015. That was the > > year (I think it was October when Steve Turnbull proposed to > > close the project). I am however not sure about 1994, according > > to my memory it should be 1992. > > > > 2. Aidan Kehoe continues to send patches to xemacs-beta and releases > > xemacs 21.5. So you maybe you should talk to him whether Xemacs > > is really dead or not. Maybe this concerns only the 21.4.X > > series. > > I wonder if there are any good technical ideas/solutions which were done > in XEmacs and could be added in GNU Emacs.. That would require, of > course, good knowledge of both. > Maybe this : https://crestani.de/xemacs/pdf/thesis-newgc.pdf How does it compare to the current GNU EMacs GC ? Fabrice [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1541 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-07-02 9:52 ` Fabrice Popineau @ 2018-07-02 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-07-02 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fabrice Popineau; +Cc: fgunbin, emacs-devel > From: Fabrice Popineau <fabrice.popineau@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:52:08 +0200 > Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org> > > https://crestani.de/xemacs/pdf/thesis-newgc.pdf > > How does it compare to the current GNU EMacs GC ? Someone started working on upgrading our GC seevral years ago, and did some initial infrastructure work (that's why we have all those fset_* and wset_* setters), but the job was never completed. Volunteers are welcome, as always. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-06-30 20:31 ` Lars Brinkhoff 2018-07-01 8:17 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2018-07-01 15:39 ` Paul Eggert 2018-07-02 7:32 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Paul Eggert @ 2018-07-01 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Brinkhoff; +Cc: emacs-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 188 bytes --] Thanks for the pointers. I installed the first attached patch into the emacs-26 branch. (Sorry about misspelling your name in the commit message; fixed in the second attached patch.) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: 0001-etc-HISTORY-Cite-Brinkoff-on-early-history.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-patch; name="0001-etc-HISTORY-Cite-Brinkoff-on-early-history.patch", Size: 1382 bytes --] From f205928d1f93f4373d755ca91805a88e022ac414 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:25:46 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] * etc/HISTORY: Cite Brinkoff on early history. --- etc/HISTORY | 7 ++++--- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/HISTORY b/etc/HISTORY index ba86182..b239904 100644 --- a/etc/HISTORY +++ b/etc/HISTORY @@ -12,10 +12,11 @@ development is sketchy, the following text summarizes what is known. EMACS started out as a set of macros atop the TECO text editor, and was first operational in late 1976. It was inspired by earlier work such as the E editor of Stanford, and was based on older TECO macro -sets. EMACS in turn inspired several similar editors. See: -Stallman RM. EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Self-Documenting -Display Editor. AI Memo 519a, MIT, 1981-03-26 +sets. See: Stallman RM. EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable +Self-Documenting Display Editor. AI Memo 519a, MIT, 1981-03-26 <http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/5736/AIM-519A.pdf>. +EMACS in turn inspired several similar editors. For a summary of +this history, see <https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history>. In 1984, work began on GNU Emacs, a fresh implementation designed to run on GNU and GNU-like systems, with a full-featured Lisp at its -- 2.7.4 [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #3: 0001-Fix-ChangeLog-typo.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-patch; name="0001-Fix-ChangeLog-typo.patch", Size: 615 bytes --] From fc5cae731cede7e00f3f2d40d6577537f872d439 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:36:30 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] ; Fix ChangeLog typo. --- ChangeLog.3 | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/ChangeLog.3 b/ChangeLog.3 index c05303c..a0a4794 100644 --- a/ChangeLog.3 +++ b/ChangeLog.3 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ 2018-07-01 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> - * etc/HISTORY: Cite Brinkoff on early history. + * etc/HISTORY: Cite Brinkhoff on early history. 2018-07-01 Martin Rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> -- 2.7.4 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-06-30 20:31 ` Lars Brinkhoff 2018-07-01 8:17 ` Uwe Brauer 2018-07-01 15:39 ` Paul Eggert @ 2018-07-02 7:32 ` Richard Stallman 2018-07-02 9:47 ` Lars Brinkhoff 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2018-07-02 7:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Brinkhoff; +Cc: eggert, emacs-devel [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't think there was a TECO package for sending email in 1976. :-) > Recall that EMACS just got started earlier that year. ISTR that Rmail predated EMACS, and I expect I didn't wait long after EMACS was good enough to edit with to arrange to run Rmail in EMACS. However, whatever it did to send a message on ITS would need to be changed. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-07-02 7:32 ` Richard Stallman @ 2018-07-02 9:47 ` Lars Brinkhoff 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2018-07-02 9:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: emacs-devel Richard Stallman wrote: >> I don't think there was a TECO package for sending email in 1976. :-) >> Recall that EMACS just got started earlier that year. > > ISTR that Rmail predated EMACS, and I expect I didn't wait long after > EMACS was good enough to edit with to arrange to run Rmail in EMACS. Yes, I see you are right. I opened EMACS' purified TECO file and indeed there are references to Rmail: "Temporarily loads up :EJ version of Rmail and runs in own environment." Curiosly, there is no M-X extended commands facility in this early EMACS. You have to type <ALTMODE> (to get a TECO minibuffer) and then MM Rmail<ALTMODE><ALTMODE>. Unfortunately, I don't have the RMAIL file, so I get ".TECO.;DSK:[RMAX] > FILE NOT FOUND?" By the way, if anyone wants to try this, let me know in private email. Be prepared to compile a SUPDUP client. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Oldest Emacs alive 2018-06-30 18:23 Oldest Emacs alive Lars Brinkhoff 2018-06-30 20:16 ` Paul Eggert @ 2018-07-01 15:45 ` Joshua Branson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Joshua Branson @ 2018-07-01 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel Lars Brinkhoff <lars@nocrew.org> writes: > FYI, I have TECO EMACS 24 from November 1976 running. Is this just for fun? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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