From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:26:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87zhlbaf5d.fsf@kiddo.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190718173252.GA3093@robertalessi.net> <20190718184700.GA4886@robertalessi.net> <20190718203203.GG4886@robertalessi.net> <83tvbiv7dp.fsf@gnu.org> <20190719085824.GA3263@robertalessi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="221805"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 36717@debbugs.gnu.org To: Robert Alessi Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 11:29:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPCP-000vax-Bt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm36549030wrn.29.2019.07.19.02.26.57 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <20190719085824.GA3263@robertalessi.net> (Robert Alessi's message of "Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163377 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200, Robert Alessi said: Robert> Robert, Basil and Eli: since assigning vowels with tonos and vo= wels Robert> with oxia to the same code points is clearly unacceptable even = if the Robert> glyphs may be identical, is there a way to input tonos and vowe= ls with Robert> tonos with emacs? I use greek-ibycus4, but if other input meth= ods Robert> can handle these letters, I would consider any change unnecessa= ry. 1. You can locally derive an input method from greek-ibycus4, and replace the entries for letter + oxia with letter with tonos (or we can make that change in emacs) 2. Same, but we allow for entering both variants, so that eg i' =3D> iota with oxia i; =3D> iota with tonos (this is how eg greek-postfix does it) 3. You change input methods betweend greek-ibycus4 and greek postfix, enter the character + tonos using i;, then switch back 4. Last resort: enter the required character directly using C-x 8 RET 3af or C-x 8 RET GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH TONOS I=CA=BCd probably lean towards [2], but a purist might says that we=CA=BCre polluting an input method intended for classical greek with a 'modern' set of characters. OTOH Unicode seems to say that we should be using the tonos variants anyway. Robert