From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206384085 6834 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2008 18:41:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 24 19:41:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jdrc9-0002Ms-Nq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:41:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdrbY-0003H4-Jd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:41:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdrbB-00036P-4y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:40:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdrb8-00034w-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:40:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdrb8-00034j-P2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:40:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail2.sha-bang.de ([78.47.120.114] helo=mail.sha-bang.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jdrb8-000536-1V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:40:42 -0400 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslcm253.osnanet.de [89.166.140.253]) by mail.sha-bang.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3980C564; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:56:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Sha Bang MUA v.0711184.68) ID 1Jdrb3-0008Pq-KJ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:40:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:55:10 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93312 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 07:00:10PM -0400, Chong Yidong wrote: >> Thanks for all those who contributed to the recent discussion on the >> list. I've discussed this some more with Stefan, and the result is >> that Transient Mark Mode is now turned on by default, in the trunk. [...] > I say, yet again, Transient Mark Mode is NOT a good default. It violates > the philosophy of Emacs in several ways: [...] FWIW: Full Ack. As I wrote on this topic before: I was used to put forms into my .emacs to turn on fancy features that I consider worthwhile -- nowadays I find my self more and more often fiddling with .emacs to turn annoying features of. I liked the philosophy behind the old way better: make the defaults simple and clean and leave it to the user to turn on all the bells, whistles and trautonii he likes. cheers sascha -- Sascha Wilde Real programmers don't want "what you see is what you get", they want "you asked for it, you got it". They want editors that are terse, powerful, cryptic, and unforgiving. In a word, Teco.