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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q26sm19555180pfi.57.2016.03.06.13.52.08 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 06 Mar 2016 13:52:08 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id AA9DF13426D8A; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 13:52:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> (Ingo Lohmar's message of "Sun, 06 Mar 2016 22:25:19 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Emacs developers , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 21998@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114515 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 06 2016 13:07 (-0800), John Wiegley wrote: >=20 > I have always wanted to drop the ChangeLogs, so if the other developers a= gree, > I'm all for it. Keeping ChangeLog style in the commit entry is not terrib= ly > useful either, since the diff output of log -p lets you know which functi= on or > variable is being modified. I've never missed not having that ChangeLog d= ata > in other projects, of any size. But that's up to the other developers and= what > makes their lives easier. I'd like to open this up to discussion on emacs-devel, so that we hear from our other developers. What do you all think about ChangeLogs, and their val= ue to you in your work on Emacs? =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJW3KaEAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Ywu8IL/RGPinj0z4OjbatKlEdSD3Az Blopc7GfdoTRrIJRpP98kR80jGFgJqg8YVb5fgQSCedOBOJzidzAeR27OqUn3xUJ A48ZpetaNgPAetTHmHdsXRu8g52uJe2XssPrAN2pqssb0dVpNaZovbK2DwyzaPIc bN6lFF1gPKaxrmBbVdfGXBz9h5Uhu3noc7RHu/Qr+gwFTDpmWUqOg7WJ7IpD4EK7 q044Rnjqztt4MJglzaOIXrkRlOVDKxR3tMAPrHhkjK7Oox/QeCKlmcyBGGorNBCT 4Krv3GEmjWt7D8+LYwvMf1eZnKOmna+tyRYDSpATPIys7aO5CNfOOyWTSHxsLWNj cfz55kGHJujB/WIqIoGJ/L0jc4LFA/Z4LV4gmgkXSBIxOL34fj+aO/udb7NvAr84 wpgz9Ol+EKgVY/jwaxsAMyXSRVA5L1cDDeq1aO47ugk1LWLEw1SHpCURbBMEptsr t4R4j2QX1C1lq83FEvlE6ftJT4QacOaKRleKkOBTWA== =qeaK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--