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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x12sm45295183pfi.88.2016.02.23.08.42.37 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:42:37 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: John Wiegley Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3C27613148907; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:42:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: ("Per \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Starb\=C3\=A4ck\=22's\?\= message of "Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:50:18 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii , lokedhs@gmail.com, "emacs-devel\@gnu.org" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200543 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Per Starb=C3=A4ck writes: > That is the view of what I understand to be the main developer of this > feature, who tried to set the default to off. I think this should have be= en > settled then, and think that Eli's view that it can be decided later is j= ust > wrong. I agree that the pretest should be a pre-test, not a candidate run for features that won't appear in the final release. I think the hope was that pretesting would reveal that people want character folding, and so it really was a candidate for the next release. But I'm getting a string impression that character folding isn't quite ready for prime-time as a default feature. So right now, I'm looking for arguments that it *should* be made the defaul= t; otherwise, it seems wise to me to let it wait until things have been hammer= ed out a lot more. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWzIjfAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Yw7zEMAJvZhCLREuZsvBgE89sRJl2o hU6F+CeBIykaPoeHka9LBzwxOdmnWRV6rdDSsJVaTnOKzCs5egF/Vm950ycIjaGK zs+hiEhu4fpPfYuAOSlKul+T5eeTg8BuUekFIEfHMmboY4JDkYP+CILW9Ymm1gzW DWPyX0dL8/5PppiDNyL7JuhpbMD7XIwMrYqaoY7DcwHFTKHLa+1dyPfM6G/02mGR dgrvX5++40n35xzcOi9wFI6pgqv0VR2RTm1lXBVInDM2JznOjOrzuBcCT2Vy+cxW cP4Rj8uQSePAnXVRM94hMriKmWcs84HDnckMlnLose9n3LqLNWXjdAbwhxVaIufy fA+5+259cBRKV7YATLWA9H9NFwjdrxldOwR/4kY+1LzRendMsPqSvmLQ9YZNgMIG 3iDAPrnr8uap0XEVz3lky/P5CJzb+kBhJtUv3LvIeEaaAeLwGqAFBCwOQk9eCroA Cyv5btPkNCJbcD7mMqueOVatKtiS/RTQicSuIIRbCQ== =rSk4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--