From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5011: 23.1.50; The {}\ characters seems to be impossible to write in non-terminal mode on Mac OS X Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 20:35:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <37B5A2FA-EF1D-4A9E-81BD-1322536EED89@42tools.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1463537317 30561 80.91.229.3 (18 May 2016 02:08:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 02:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5011@debbugs.gnu.org, Jules Colding To: Andrew Hyatt Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 18 04:08:28 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b2quQ-0000xz-KK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 May 2016 04:08:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42216 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b2quP-0003FQ-NF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 22:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48258) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b2qTl-0004nU-Bd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 21:40:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b2kne-0000yM-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 15:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b2kne-0000yH-2f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 15:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b2knd-0007DX-Pd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 15:37:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 19:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 5011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5011.146351376327649 (code B ref 5011); Tue, 17 May 2016 19:37:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 May 2016 19:36:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56292 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b2kmh-0007Bt-CO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 15:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:35661) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b2kmf-0007BD-Hq for 5011@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2016 15:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id r12so3824329wme.0 for <5011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 17 May 2016 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TXNGrIvjR6wLW1gK+WthiRc5D3Uh9TD7tyycf+pjwuw=; b=Y5p+0m94dDdjC4FT6cB4s55lpbrwjDbuFipD7oRoV1gKW2fcPaREngzI9mm4U1fXBM MNWsrngqEwywBt4mm+Smje9RgIQhMr58IKF8gVpVvG7QURdCH8PnMVYESAB7h70VrGAl 4+9CNRERI8vT3bTDLs3lcKGDty8ZmjtQfgpPoX9kyAG106t8F1lqxRulZp0cO6bhm8eI F34BnkROWDxmG3b+NFwzySZ4faiJJkvmRCZ5NR2YaPcIjP1cK8jAUyXVZKs1B+re89GX 2IgfqjqC0xrD3b2Nx+40wpiocktY1Cb6iQjndR/QUmCgB7gFNw4pyOiTJkW8D5NsPvbp /Y2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TXNGrIvjR6wLW1gK+WthiRc5D3Uh9TD7tyycf+pjwuw=; b=aYIjHPgszlWIgHAXB/1Kmmkc5E8Y2pl4iTybPdunA0ZIG3jYlttxy/kPEpq9fLwtyu U9FlgwI+XzkUlcnXbuspEBW/s+3S2S427s40w8cyNumdznvfegifiIGbYh1AUscs6UGw 8qOjNW02eaHrVq+RF4wXOeOeBkuqJZpWcuG4lqvb5ySsg0YKJGrIXKKAiEiwhqhz9e1b xbOn13gPPnrgDEXfNrGH/reYMTOLQkfbnIVqrxO/7Bro2VPVXrKZMkgBMO6hzDO82XBl UcNI5LUSYAc6m6ep4eIMm/JEJpkvJO4p4R+3kw36suvdZlLwCB+yrpvUgCM8Q9tKb2Eu cRpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FV9EmGHfSsHjWKT7mJC/0HJXTJMw5F3FxYRjxjAejsuPo0rU5xKzj/q8zfc36D/sA== X-Received: by 10.28.183.134 with SMTP id h128mr26689022wmf.63.1463513755816; Tue, 17 May 2016 12:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from breton.holly.idiocy.org (ip6-2001-08b0-03f8-8129-dcd0-ea5c-d060-789e.holly.idiocy.org. [2001:8b0:3f8:8129:dcd0:ea5c:d060:789e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b22sm5200252wmb.9.2016.05.17.12.35.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 May 2016 12:35:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Andrew Hyatt's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 22:29:16 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (darwin) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:118367 Archived-At: Andrew Hyatt writes: > Sorry for the late reply, but I'm assuming this must be with a keyboard > that doesn't have a \, {, or }. Which keyboard do you have, and how > have you set things up so that S-Alt-7,8, or 9 produce these characters? > How can I reproduce this on a standard US keyboard? Hi Andrew, this is a clash between OS X's keymap and Emacs's. On an Apple UK keyboard if you type shift-3 you get =C2=A3 (pound sterling symbol, in case it doesn't show), but # is on the same key, so you have to type option-3 to get it. Emacs treats option as Meta and therefore in Emacs typing option-3 results in the next command being repeated 3 times and no # symbol. I think the reported bug is exactly the same problem but on a different keyboard layout. There are a number of work-arounds including making the command key meta instead of option, or unbinding the right option key so Emacs ignores it and OS X's binding works, but leaving left-option bound to meta. None of them strike me as being an obvious candidate for the default, but the current behaviour is not good either. --=20 Alan Third