From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jon Snader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: ns-do-applescript Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 17:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <871qwbd999.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6ay9wjn.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17188"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.15; emacs 28.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 01 04:22:56 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nwE0d-0004Dw-JD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 04:22:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35170 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nwE0c-0004xs-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 22:22:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nw9XS-0002Al-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 17:36:30 -0400 Original-Received: from gateway4.unifiedlayer.com ([70.40.207.204]:38438) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nw9XQ-0001g5-0v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 17:36:29 -0400 Original-Received: from cm6.websitewelcome.com (unknown [108.167.139.19]) by gateway4.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A384C20089239 for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 16:36:25 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from shared120.accountservergroup.com ([162.215.249.103]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id w9XNnNRdv8f6zw9XNn9Zuk; Tue, 31 May 2022 16:36:25 -0500 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=irreal.org; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:In-reply-to:Subject: Cc:To:From:References:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cCA/tevicZs3b3P1fYbgqCdUNB3Tq/HR4rMcr2DY/yM=; b=1NYDWrU/iNmMvEg1V3HCTC/vG7 xW/PDNn0QFdBC7cxB2yK7iWK5RiCpFDrEyGfxztT0J/prsR6Gz6MK6Zbcp0Sx7BOkh9YevvQ+J4fO 7i2oKFlPvUuogldaSYEUhdF8qKB5rGPuydVafxdjPllcxUmqb9Z2r1rbK4j5l8my1AF2Yb5mD+QD1 Pj/8vE51XLlB1ojcYa/inVUyuZFv18C+pV1RGhWwHe7LfJTt7J7AOpaOctRvuECCEz019/0SaVtPQ PozaatusWQPFF+0Gk4Wr4nJqS/Dlemx7XFNslFx2n6gbyllqdY6PARocaJ/YWhHVvb9Y1gx6r4OFe MBasPNvA==; Original-Received: from [35.141.151.138] (port=60691 helo=Manfred.local.mac.com) by shared120.accountservergroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1nw9XM-003QL2-TX; Tue, 31 May 2022 16:36:25 -0500 In-reply-to: <87a6ay9wjn.fsf@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - shared120.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - irreal.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 35.141.151.138 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1nw9XM-003QL2-TX X-Source-Sender: (Manfred.local.mac.com) [35.141.151.138]:60691 X-Source-Auth: jcs@irreal.org X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: YzY3ODU3O2M2Nzg1NztzaGFyZWQxMjAuYWNjb3VudHNlcnZlcmdyb3VwLmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Received-SPF: pass client-ip=70.40.207.204; envelope-from=jcs@irreal.org; helo=gateway4.unifiedlayer.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 31 May 2022 22:21:51 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290460 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > That rule is specified in the information for maintainers of GNU > software, in the node "Platforms": > > The most important platforms for a GNU package to support are > GNU and > GNU/Linux. Developing the GNU operating system is the whole > point of > the GNU Project; a GNU package exists to make the whole GNU > system > more powerful. So please keep that goal in mind and let it > shape your > work. For instance, every new feature you add should work on > GNU, and > GNU/Linux if possible too. If a new feature only runs on GNU > and > GNU/Linux, it could still be acceptable. However, a feature > that runs > only on other systems and not on GNU or GNU/Linux makes no > sense in a > GNU package. > > Anyway, the removal of ns-do-applescript will probably proceed, > once I > figure out how to replace the code that uses it in-tree (mostly > for > desktop notifications, which are also available on free systems, > and > retrieving contacts data.) > ... > The GNU project was created with the goal of eliminating > non-free > operating systems. It was once acceptable for Emacs to only run > on > proprietary operating systems while no alternatives existed, but > not > anymore. > > For a long time, Apple also claimed the power to stop people > from > writing programs that looked and worked even vaguely like a > Macintosh. > During that period, the GNU project had a policy against > supporting any > software on the Macintosh. > > They have stopped that practice now, but I doubt many people > have > forgiven them. > ... > This list isn't a place to discuss that policy, which has been > in place > for a long time (nor was it ever subject to approval from a > "community".) Features only present on macOS are discovered and > deleted > from Emacs on a regular basis. Recent examples are support for > color > Emoji and tabbed windows. This discussion has reached the stage where we have to agree to disagree. That disagreement notwithstanding, I restate my thanks to you for the good work you do for the Emacs community.