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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327140 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann >> Cc: Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii , >> ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, >> acorallo@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 06:22:17 +0100 >>=20 >> I'm coming to all this from a completely different angle. My >> understanding is (1) the signal handling/MPS thing, is the only thing >> preventing landing in master > > That's not so. It is not the only thing we need to figure out and > solve before we can consider landing this on master. At the very > least, we have unresolved issues with patches to MPS for some > platforms, whereby we considered forking MPS or some other course of > actions. Also, there are several FIXMEs in igc.c itself. For the > MS-Windows build, we have the issue of registering some threads with > MPS (see our discussion Re: "MPS: w32 threads" back in May). So we > still have a way to go. > >> My approach is "focus!" :-). Get a signal handling/MPS thing into igc >> that is good enough to be accepted, land in master, and only then >> proceed with anything else that has come up. > > The "focus!" approach is correct, IMO, but landing the feature on > master is only possible if we believe the branch is stable enough, > because there are enough people who use master for production to > consider its being reasonably stable a necessary requirement. I > believe we still have unresolved reports about freezes on GNU/Linux, > so we are not there yet. I also don't have a clear idea of which > Emacs configurations (in terms of toolkits, PGTK yes/no, > native-compilation yes/no, etc.) were or are being tested on > GNU/Linux -- this is also relevant to assessing the stability. Hm. If my assumption (1) is not true, I think it's best for me to just wait and do my other stuff meanwhile.