From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:55:43 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444786235 20970 80.91.229.3 (14 Oct 2015 01:30:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 01:30:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 03:30:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmAtd-0002yC-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:30:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmAtb-0006H4-Gq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmAsc-00067U-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmAsZ-0005i9-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233]:36037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmAsZ-0005i3-Ki for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:19 -0400 Original-Received: by pacex6 with SMTP id ex6so37358252pac.3 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:29:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=7CAM8B2LlYYInd4xMAHj/S0d+HfBL7QhOBeoj4NhDuI=; b=UEoghzYA96JCJ50+FnAKMPxdzA0Ue0dNcWYamNjAfZl6S9HPaZw9ujkwscsND5vwW3 U+Urdpdc3POStWlhrTcB922ythF92FMf/+HNGTKiZxfJilXg00cEPxJxGRNGbDVX8RgD Bu30EBBIRWs3Mfa9lw1kPI4nJNlKGh0frn0REbCBj20vTik/rzqQ3T4ldAoO8PF7x7pg IRY/iTmoa6NdY9dvxwmnYE9V95qBcYuUislXi9iXrCBWJhJyWBh8fYehz4fJtaIe7WDI jIvdAHddXhcE+w/QOS3Ld5KP1YbWV1FNBb0JJNfUq7cNv81z34OSj2sWogvGr8aofO7C 5W5g== X-Received: by 10.66.158.100 with SMTP id wt4mr620533pab.31.1444786158852; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Hermes-2.local (220.sub-70-214-18.myvzw.com. [70.214.18.220]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id uc1sm6171184pab.20.2015.10.13.18.29.17 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Hermes-2.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 43E3E472664C; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:55:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:34:37 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191521 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: >> Or a more radical approach: a Lispy language, easy to learn by those who >> already know Elisp, but which can be translated all the way to something as >> performant as the current C code, while being capable of interacting with >> it. > This would be a tremendous amount of work, for a mere cleanup: it would not > make Emacs any better to use, for anyone. It would not greatly help future > development either. We suppose that it might be bad, and we suppose that it might be good. I'd like to see some experimentation before calling it either way. > I urge people to think instead about implementing useful features, such as > handling more kinds of formatted text, or various features for a more > powerful IDE (many of these are lacking). The point is to discuss what is of possible interest to us. If others don't care for this thread, let them ignore it; if they want to start a new thread for more productive endeavors, may it be so. John