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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: A proposal for removing obsolete packages
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:52:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2lh7kowp7.fsf@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838u3k9m5d.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:49:18 +0200")

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>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> As long as the removal is not done by a program, but by humans, I think
> considering each candidate before producing the list is a reasonable
> compromise.

Right. I imagine that even without such a list, the process will look
something like this:

  1. Core developer looks at bug.
  2. Sees it is in "obsolete" code.
  3. Sees it has been "obsolete" for a while.
  4. Asks list, "Hey, can I just delete this code and the bug?"
  5. Hears deafening applause of consent.
  6. Happiness is restored.

Our biggest complaint about obsolete code is not its existence, but having to
tend to it; and so, this new policy gives us a way to do decisively deal with
it after a certain period of time.

Likewise, if an obsolete file never has any bugs, I'm not opposed to letting
it stay in "obsolete" forever. And yet, if someone requests that it be removed
after the appropriate amount of time, that's OK too.

The point is that we get to decide, not a mechanistic process, in the case
that someone knows of a good reason to keep that code around for a few
releases more.

-- 
John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-20 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-11  3:09 A proposal for removing obsolete packages Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-11 14:41 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-11 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-12  4:24   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19  5:28     ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20  2:54       ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-20  7:25         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 17:05           ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-20 17:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20 19:52               ` John Wiegley [this message]
2016-01-20 20:38                 ` Andrés Ramírez
2016-01-20 20:46                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 20:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20 21:03                     ` Andrés Ramírez
2016-01-21  3:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 21:22                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-21  3:02             ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-23 21:15               ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-23 22:03                 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-24  1:02                   ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-24  1:08                     ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-24  1:56                     ` Drew Adams
2016-01-24 21:44                       ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-25  2:37                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-25  1:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-25  4:41                   ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-25 15:37                     ` Entering Unicode characters Richard Stallman
2016-01-25 16:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25 17:20                         ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2016-01-25 17:51                           ` Teemu Likonen
2016-01-25 20:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26  1:24                             ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2016-01-26  3:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25 18:59                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-25 19:28                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-26  8:38                         ` Oleh Krehel
2016-01-25 21:36                       ` Tianxiang Xiong
2016-01-25 22:17                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-25 22:26                           ` Tianxiang Xiong
2016-01-26  9:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 10:55                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-26 14:49                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 14:54                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 21:41                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-27  3:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27  6:01                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-28 23:16                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-29  8:21                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 15:51                                         ` handa
2016-01-29 16:14                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 16:24                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-30  3:03                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-30  7:30                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30  7:36                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-30  7:46                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30 12:16                                             ` handa
2016-01-30 13:53                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27  0:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 11:31                           ` Yuri Khan
2016-01-27  0:46                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 12:40                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-26 15:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27  0:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 17:08                           ` Tianxiang Xiong
2016-01-26 17:37                             ` Drew Adams
2016-01-26 18:08                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 18:46                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-06 11:56                           ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-06 12:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-06 13:59                               ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-06 14:30                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 11:20                               ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-07 18:33                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-07 18:42                               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-08 14:15                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-08 14:25                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2016-02-09 12:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-09 17:18                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10  0:12                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10 17:52                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-11 18:19                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-07 22:02                               ` John Wiegley
2016-02-08 13:02                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-08 17:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-09 12:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-09 13:26                                       ` Dale Snell
2016-02-10  0:11                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-09 17:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-09  6:01                                   ` Alexis
2016-02-09 15:21                                     ` Drew Adams
2016-02-10  0:11                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10  1:16                                         ` Alexis
2016-02-10 14:16                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-11 18:59                                             ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                       ` <<E1aTINY-0007Rg-IA@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-10  2:07                                         ` Drew Adams
2016-02-10  4:14                                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-10 14:15                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10  0:08                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10  4:17                                       ` Jose E. Marchesi
2016-02-08 14:18                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-12 11:32                               ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-13 15:32                                 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                         ` <<E1aO05V-0007eR-Kw@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-01-26 16:58                           ` Drew Adams
2016-01-25 13:01                   ` A proposal for removing obsolete packages Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26  9:36                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 10:30                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-01-27  0:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-27  1:03                           ` Alexis
2016-01-27 22:53                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-27  8:41                           ` Andreas Schwab
2016-01-25 15:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <<m2a8nu46ff.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <<E1aNjCP-0004Ya-Si@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-01-25 16:04                       ` Entering Unicode characters Drew Adams
2016-01-25 16:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 16:43                 ` A proposal for removing obsolete packages John Wiegley
2016-01-26 17:32                   ` John Wiegley
2016-02-03  4:45                     ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-12  5:25   ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-12  4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-12  5:25   ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-12 21:49     ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-14  5:19       ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-17 22:53         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-14 23:09       ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-16  4:13         ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-16 19:10           ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-18 18:47             ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-19 13:51               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-19 14:54           ` Phillip Lord
     [not found] <<m28u3wak2g.fsf@gmail.com>

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