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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198864 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > The strategy I had in mind for supporting many scripting languages was to > convert other languages to Scheme and then have applications such as Emacs > implement Scheme. I think this will be more work than it is worth. It's not just the languages themselves that are valuable; it the vast sea of libraries that Python and Ruby give one access to, many of which make FFI calls into C libraries. Converting all of that into Scheme in a way that provably retains the same semantics is a task beyond anyone, I'd think. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2