From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29586: Please revert change to package deletion Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:50:31 -0800 Message-ID: References: <83mv2twl5w.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1512798730 24526 195.159.176.226 (9 Dec 2017 05:52:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 05:52:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (darwin) Cc: adam@alphapapa.net, 29586@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 09 06:52:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY3Q-0006DW-DW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:52:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40130 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY3X-0000mk-Lb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:52:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44621) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY3S-0000ei-6g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:52:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY3P-00055w-4Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:52:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:44391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY3P-00055b-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:52:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY3O-00023V-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:52:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29586 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 29586-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29586.15127986667830 (code B ref 29586); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29586) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2017 05:51:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53072 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY2T-00022E-LX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY2R-00021k-0O for 29586@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:51:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY2I-0003rt-Ap for 29586@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:50:57 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56550) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY27-0003km-9H; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:50:43 -0500 Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]:40655) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eNY24-0002sH-3I; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:50:40 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5BF20C00; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 00:50:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:50:38 -0500 X-ME-Sender: Original-Received: from localhost (76-234-69-149.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [76.234.69.149]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DC53C242CD; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 00:50:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83mv2twl5w.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2017 12:47:55 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:140845 Archived-At: >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> The problem is that many users have their packages auto-updated, so the EZ> trash piles up quite quickly. Not to be contentious, but how much of an impact could that really have for Emacs packages? I use >350 packages, and my site-lisp is 400M. Even if I auto-updated everything, every day, that's *still* ~1% of my disk, which is what I usually allocate for trash accumulation. Your argument that no other package system replaces packages by moving them to the trash is valid, though; I don't know of any that do that. Thus, I can't argue that it's the right thing to do here. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2