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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::436 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:239523 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 17:15:53 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 15:20:47 +0200 >>=20 >> >>>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 16:03:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >>=20 Eli> If it is not in the manual, why is it marked "+++"? >>=20 >> NEWS says: >>=20 >> Temporary note: >> +++ indicates that all necessary documentation updates are complete. >> (This means all relevant manuals in doc/ AND lisp doc-strings.) >>=20 >> The doc-string is up to date =3D> +++. It=CA=BCs an obscure, hopeful= ly >> never-to-be-used option, so I don=CA=BCt feel it needs to be in the = manual >> (you yourself said something similar very recently about >> 'ispell-skip-html' :-) ) Eli> If this is your interpretation of what NEWS says, then we must mod= ify Eli> that text to be less ambiguous. "+++" means the doc strings AND t= he Eli> manuals have been updated, "---" means the doc string WITHOUT manu= als Eli> were updated. That was indeed my interpretation. Eli> These markers are there for when we are close to releasing a new m= ajor Eli> version, and need to make sure everything that needs to be in the Eli> manuals is in the manuals. It therefore makes no sense to mark by Eli> "+++" changes that do not need to be in the manuals, because that Eli> sends the wrong signal. So in this case we=CA=BCd use '---'. It=CA=BCs all clear to me now, but you= =CA=BCre right that perhaps a different wording would be better (of course it could just be a problem in my brain :-) ) Robert