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[217.227.103.151]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o18-20020aa7c512000000b0052540e85390sm487885edq.43.2023.09.13.23.30.10 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 23:30:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <838r99mh40.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:57:51 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::533; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x533.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310568 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Lynn Winebarger >> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:52:15 -0400 >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> I think I was more interested in why you said it would be a >> "text-processing system" rather than an editor or even IDE > > Emacs is more than an editor and an IDE. Gnus (and other MUAs we have > in Emacs) is neither, and neither is Org or ERC or any number of other > Emacs features. > >> > . display engine design around the rectangular canvas model and > >> I don't know what the alternative is, exactly. > > Finding that out is part of the job. It's quite likely (I hope) that > the relevant technology already exists, and we don't need to invent > it. Right. This makes me think immediately of browser technology. We all probably know what can be done in web layouts, I guess. As an example that it can be used for an editor, take a look at the Monaco editor, which is used in VSCode: https://github.com/microsoft/monaco-editor (I'm not saying that should be done, or even that it could be done, or anything :-)).