From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 07:35:36 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com> <83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> <87vck8sfyv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85obq05aua.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <87r4uvs4ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87397b15u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5p2nhc3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336563367 7722 80.91.229.3 (9 May 2012 11:36:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:36:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 09 13:36:06 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SS5Bc-0003dI-Rg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:36:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54664 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SS5Bb-0003Am-TS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33961) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SS5BV-0003Ab-CF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SS5BT-0006dN-Cp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:35:56 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SS5BT-0006d7-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:35:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SS5BP-0003UF-86 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:35:51 +0200 Original-Received: from 71.46.49.85 ([71.46.49.85]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:35:51 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 71.46.49.85 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:35:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.46.49.85 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.1.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IaaoI1Ahh91q7mRZCswXQeDkiRk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150386 Archived-At: On Wed, 09 May 2012 12:50:20 +0900 Miles Bader wrote: MB> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> The problem with those separators is just that they say nothing about >> the contents, so the presenter (MUA) has to guess the content type, >> which requires some parsing and can easily result in a wrong guess. MB> Why it important for the MUA to know the content type of embedded code MB> snippets? So they can be colored properly, mostly. I can imagine other uses like saving, parsing, and a "run this" buttong for Emacs Lisp code, but it's presentational so far. MB> AFAICT, this sort of feature stems more from "OMGWIBN" ("OMG, wouldn't MB> it be neat!") syndrome than actual demand... You know we're talking about Gnus, right? In any case, there is demand, at least 10 users like the markup and use it, including myself. We don't want to bother with MIME for short snippets. MB> Given the lack of actual demand, even a minor impact on readability is MB> too much. [The current behavior of Gnus, certainly, is just awful in MB> this respect -- not only are the delimiters ugly and detrimental to MB> readability, but so is the visual highlighting (on my system, a wacky MB> bright green color) that seems to be the only thing Gnus does with MB> it...!] The coloring is done by whatever mode is used for whatever language is specified in the markup. So the green color is your fault ;) The key question is, do you disagree with any delimiters, including the JIRA {code:LANGUAGE} ... {code} markers? So far most people have said the org-mode markers specifically are ugly, but some kind of marker is OK. So in my followup to Stefan Monnier I proposed a parser library to identify markup generically. On Wed, 09 May 2012 07:45:41 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: EZ> FYI: That's not "quoting ala RMS", that's simply the default quoting EZ> style of Rmail. OK; my point was that it's unusual and only RMS uses it in this newsgroup or anywhere else I've seen in mailing lists or newsgroups, so it's unique in that context. Ted