From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: It's almost 2016 and when (single-threaded) Emacs hangs, you gotta be smashing your keyboard! Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:36:43 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447971528 27309 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2015 22:18:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 22:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: Alexander Shukaev Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 19 23:18:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzXXS-0002Da-Lj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:18:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44281 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzXXR-0002TH-UA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:18:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45045) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzVwo-0003oN-Pw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:36:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzVwl-0001c0-En for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:36:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]:35815) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzVwl-0001bC-A8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:36:47 -0500 Original-Received: by pacej9 with SMTP id ej9so91603024pac.2 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:36:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=4RTE+4oT1xcHoSbdP2mtbI/ix+24pOv0tX14Fg4UsWU=; b=QtOcC6aWd0nPNoq+++gxdJhh9X4QZWM61BRCgD7wmBvWQPzVGOA0V0Yu/LfuvQ20jW QlyknhRB/g8lyoOoj0bk8SLuFU4fYHsCd0iR9Gt4Pxs3DAzAbmt1GT+bsP7y4f6FD3ob feRIEeVGdaGQPO+ApwWZpfHT8vBsP+X1mRMb1QFALTWp6yRir+hw6IFX6RqyrtP6V3PG /0QDH9DYUt482b8j5tEolzTzpTv/DEZ/139g8R2hR/nTOwzslMLjFrG+NPzTDbIyETz3 f0572uqWzr3+QEkU8Q1fCQa7mEAb/oFIkuB1hMVrYYj3bEJlUdwC6DNALn9QfjO8ZaHn xXEw== X-Received: by 10.68.229.39 with SMTP id sn7mr13611266pbc.164.1447965406597; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:36:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bh4sm8697778pbb.17.2015.11.19.12.36.45 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5AEC910A35BC6; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:36:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Alexander Shukaev's message of "Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:29:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Alexander Shukaev , help-gnu-emacs X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:18:36 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108152 Archived-At: >>>>> Alexander Shukaev writes: > I've read numerous times on these mailing lists that nobody is really > willing to introduce multi-threading due to historical reasons, and that > Emacs is an inherently single-threaded environment which is not designed to > support multi-threading, and bla bla bla... Actually, I have some good news for you: Concurrency of some form is being seriously considered for Emacs 26. It will likely not allow *asynchronicity* until 27 or 28, and even then perhaps only via a process separation model, but we are indeed headed in the direction of modernity -- albeit at the safest pace we can manage. I hear your frustration, and appreciate you taking the time to express it here. Please join the emacs-devel mailing list if you'd like to become a part of future design discussions concerning this functionality. John