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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: tino.calancha@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ibuffer: w and B default to buffer at current line
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:35:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2k2eamcoy.fsf@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zin630i9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:21:50 +0300")

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>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> When it comes to UI, I'm in complete agreement with Eli: I love DWIM
>> behavior, and think this is a virtue of Emacs, not a vice in any way.

> If DWIM is okay in the UI, then functions that behave in support of that UI
> should also be okay.

Since this responses surprised me a bit, I'm going to assume that I've
misunderstood somehow.

Let me give a hypothetical example: Assume for the sake of argument that
`count-lines' did not report characters as well, and that someone wished to
extend the `count-lines' command so that, given a prefix arg, it would count
characters instead of lines.

What I think should happen in this case is that a new command be created:
count-items-in-region, which by default counts lines, but with a prefix
argument counts characters. This leaves that command open to many new
behaviors in future, while `count-lines' keeps doing just what it says: count
lines.

What I would object to is adding a new argument to `count-lines', called
`characters-p', that changes the behavior of count-lines to now count
characters instead (again, remember this is hypothetical, I know that today's
`count-lines' already counts characters as well).

Just because I want DWIM from my interface, doesn't mean I need to implement
it as DWIM in my functions. I believe -- very strongly -- that each function
should do one thing and one thing well, and this one thing should be
documented well. I don't like magical functions with lots of alternative
behaviors, unless it is a command created for the purpose of magically
dispatching to other functions based on its context of use. Such magical
interface functions are quite alright in my book; but complexifying the
behavior of core functions is not.

-- 
John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-17 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-14  5:35 Ibuffer: w and B default to buffer at current line Tino Calancha
2016-09-14  6:41 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-14  7:21   ` Tino Calancha
2016-09-14 14:08     ` Drew Adams
2016-09-15 22:05     ` John Wiegley
2016-09-16  6:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <<83intw5our.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-16 14:53         ` Drew Adams
2016-09-17 16:30           ` John Wiegley
2016-09-17 17:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-17 21:35               ` John Wiegley [this message]
2016-09-17 23:26                 ` Drew Adams
2016-09-17 23:51                   ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18  1:45                     ` Drew Adams
2016-09-18  2:18                       ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18 14:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-18 19:35                   ` John Wiegley
     [not found]             ` <<83zin630i9.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-17 18:47               ` Drew Adams
2016-09-17 19:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <<83vaxuib1p.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-17 19:33                   ` Drew Adams
2016-09-18 14:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <<d33a60f5-b8b6-4637-b3e6-ea1b09d98f85@default>
     [not found]                     ` <<83poo1i8nf.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-18 17:55                       ` naming functions [was: Ibuffer: w and B default to buffer at current line] Drew Adams
2016-09-18 19:23                         ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18 23:24                           ` Drew Adams
2016-09-19 16:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-17 18:22   ` Ibuffer: w and B default to buffer at current line Tino Calancha
2016-09-26 12:08     ` Tino Calancha
2016-10-03 12:28       ` Tino Calancha

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