* bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
@ 2010-03-05 10:59 Semka Novikov
2010-03-06 17:56 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-06 18:07 ` Chong Yidong
0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Semka Novikov @ 2010-03-05 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 5684
Hi.
In russian-typewriter input method all numbers moved to upper register.
Letter "ё" binded to key "/" instead "\".
Info:
In GNU Emacs 23.1.92.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.25)
of 2010-01-30 on black.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
configured using `configure '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc''
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* bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
2010-03-05 10:59 bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken Semka Novikov
@ 2010-03-06 17:56 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-07 15:10 ` Vasily Korytov
2010-03-06 18:07 ` Chong Yidong
1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2010-03-06 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Semka Novikov; +Cc: 5684, vasily
> In russian-typewriter input method all numbers moved to upper register.
> Letter "ё" binded to key "/" instead "\".
Please see http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=904
that resulted in this change [Cc:ed Vasily Korytov]
Also see my suggestion in the same bug#904 that should fix this problem.
What do you think?
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
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* bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
2010-03-05 10:59 bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken Semka Novikov
2010-03-06 17:56 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2010-03-06 18:07 ` Chong Yidong
1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-03-06 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Semka Novikov, Vasily Korytov; +Cc: 5684
Semka Novikov <me@sdfgh153.ru> wrote:
> In russian-typewriter input method all numbers moved to upper register.
> Letter "ё" binded to key "/" instead "\".
I believe this is due to the layout change proposed by Vasily Korytov at
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=904
The new layout is supposed to better conform to actual Russian
typewriter layouts. Is this mistaken?
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* bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
2010-03-06 17:56 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2010-03-07 15:10 ` Vasily Korytov
2011-09-18 12:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Vasily Korytov @ 2010-03-07 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: 5684, Semka Novikov
Actually, the replaced keyboard layout was nor «Russian Typewriter»
(as referred by Wikipedia, MS Windows, X.org and so on), nor anyway
standartized.
This was a very weird keyboard (it does not conform to _any_ standard,
it seems, it was written by some person and based solely on his own
opinion, what keys he would like in the upper row). Frankly, I'm
against resurrecting it because of this.
I don't mind resurrecting the old «russian-typewriter» keyboard as
«russian-dos» or «russian-legacy», but some work needs to be done to
make it conform to the actual DOS standard (numbers in lower case, but
different upper case symbols on the number keys). Unfortunately,
currently I don't own such keyboard or have specs for the layout. We
could make «russian-legacy» keyboard basing on the Xorg ru[legacy]
layout instead.
Semen, could you have a look on the Xorg ru[legacy] layout and say,
would that layout satisfy you?
--
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* bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
2010-03-07 15:10 ` Vasily Korytov
@ 2011-09-18 12:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-18 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Vasily Korytov; +Cc: 5684, Semka Novikov
Vasily Korytov <vasily@korytov.org> writes:
> Actually, the replaced keyboard layout was nor «Russian Typewriter»
> (as referred by Wikipedia, MS Windows, X.org and so on), nor anyway
> standartized.
>
> This was a very weird keyboard (it does not conform to _any_ standard,
> it seems, it was written by some person and based solely on his own
> opinion, what keys he would like in the upper row). Frankly, I'm
> against resurrecting it because of this.
This doesn't seem to be a bug, then, so I'm closing the report.
> I don't mind resurrecting the old «russian-typewriter» keyboard as
> «russian-dos» or «russian-legacy», but some work needs to be done to
> make it conform to the actual DOS standard (numbers in lower case, but
> different upper case symbols on the number keys). Unfortunately,
> currently I don't own such keyboard or have specs for the layout. We
> could make «russian-legacy» keyboard basing on the Xorg ru[legacy]
> layout instead.
If somebody wants such a keyboard layout, a new wishlist item could be
filed.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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