From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we just start dumping cl-lib? Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:07:20 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <560E0DA7.6080305@dancol.org> <87twq9ebmh.fsf@udel.edu> <83y4fl5qqi.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443805275 4100 80.91.229.3 (2 Oct 2015 17:01:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:01:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 19:01:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi3hc-0006HX-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 19:01:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33599 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi3hc-0000kZ-6T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:01:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi2tI-00054A-Lu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi2tF-0007Ip-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:09:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229]:33225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi2tF-0007Hw-5D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: by pacex6 with SMTP id ex6so110348755pac.0 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=sJpNAhMDTqoi3LhI9Dt0aQKUpI+9fhBRJliyN/iJGHg=; b=t168Il5b2XnNl3oqbMRJBC640irkNk3RbSv7Xre0gJCL62soCSdIi6v79RkMTCfWNO M4G9WiVJl7AD65/HAnhGm4qEOOnzDLic2K52NPJGi/vvLldmLxy8D7p88ztUQqhrYIfh 266fQ/7ETr4Pin55l5jT0IPK+kuczMtarx2GSYbrLnmdHjFxexCp/CCsjliFWOXcOICB Ii8VUL/wGA0hvdRjUwCLNhpsZGpE9NTaVQn77AEmGZg+fR0cdIcOEvBaR8F7dLIVrj6v u8gStW+YUXY0Py+GZ/seguiqr+tYEZ99qkEd/ZghtBiHdgX4yTMlvZ1Cjous7rzvJfEJ vVrQ== X-Received: by 10.66.158.137 with SMTP id wu9mr20960350pab.62.1443802136536; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xu5sm12792740pab.12.2015.10.02.09.08.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id ACE51F025E13; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83y4fl5qqi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:45:09 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190723 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > Please always accompany such suggestions with rationale. Adding to the core > just because "why not?" is IMO not a good methodology. Some people still > care about the memory footprint of programs, so we don't want to bloat that > unless there are good reasons. Such reasons can only be discussed on a case > by case basis. Although personally I wouldn't mind seeing cl-lib in core, for the benefit of Emacs I have to agree with Eli. It's not something we should do just because it sounds like a good idea, but because not doing it would cost us something. Shaving a few milliseconds from startup is not enough of a gain to be worth bloating core. John