From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 12:26:32 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443900409 5291 80.91.229.3 (3 Oct 2015 19:26:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 19:26:49 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 03 21:26:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSSE-0000y2-Ji for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 21:26:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39768 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSSD-0002k4-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33599) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSS9-0002je-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:26:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSS5-0005AM-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:26:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]:33014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSS4-0005AH-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:26:36 -0400 Original-Received: by pacex6 with SMTP id ex6so136811040pac.0 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=ZIwqTmwXspbDHUV8ijsKm3rzHRpZKnaLUk4arMnhyE4=; b=qlEFRQOdZIgJXGF+7Fq6TTcebqwVFXZUlO0pvYgPFBYb1jbq8oIZm+q8Dodz3zImrs JuODy5WluPfjxFz69ooH5wcW5Abck0Z54DmveTjCcCDpND9Enu055pMg33l9gAh+pwK5 Ml1dlI+ZuJ1METU1KdNqwAj9Ur0le2oOAVWMj87lRXRiWHjZg5MW+DYrC6TsBv9b5TNy zg/ShC6dwnsbbDjij4TB199ynxJGH0zOTlJAML8K8zuHgiEfT3GtXz3EVyC2hqvTGq9n xfYAXSHWI78suBgHN/DSXVXAgttsq8axRtlD0QCfrQxlpbsJXSDGpp90wKxH76X1DjGm CPdw== X-Received: by 10.67.30.136 with SMTP id ke8mr29016199pad.16.1443900396235; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ot8sm18806618pbb.26.2015.10.03.12.26.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Oct 2015 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 17628F029AB2; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 03 Oct 2015 21:04:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190814 Archived-At: >>>>> David Kastrup writes: > Uh, it's the fundamental tenet of the GNU project. Free Software's value > does not rest on relative benefits and virtues but on the fundamental > software freedoms. The stance of the FSF fundamentally differs from that of > the "Open Source" software camp which tries to paint Free Software as a > superior development model, consequently giving a nod to proprietary > software as long as it is successful. Thanks for clarifying that, David, I very much appreciate your tone of presentation. > The whole point of GNU is the non-acceptance of software denying the users > the fundamental software freedoms. This constitutes a moral judgment and as > such is indistinguishable from "demonizing opponents" or at the very least > damning their actions. Then I respectfully withdraw myself as a candidate for maintainer. Damning by implication is one thing; setting out to defame other organizations in order to make one's own appear the standard of virtue is something else entirely, and I do not wish to be associated with such methods. Thanks to all for their supporting words and encouragement, and to the FSF for having this frank and open discussion with me on the issues that matter. John