From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:34:42 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wpp9dkux.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: John Wiegley NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457818507 8127 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2016 21:35:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 21:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Phillip Lord To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 12 22:35:00 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aerBZ-0007HS-SF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 22:34:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33480 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aerBZ-0000NY-1P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:34:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51857) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aerBV-0000NQ-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:34:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aerBQ-00020I-Nw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:34:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]:35850) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aerBQ-00020D-JA; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:34:48 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x232.google.com with SMTP id z76so183795040iof.3; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:34:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=JNacN2NMGqOwR92JfkXHKjN9XL5lULyXMmwWk6gArJ4=; b=V+8Bf1nEgVF6ArXLbB2Mq/EqI01wl1ERvyHuCCmBm8lD9oU/wm6FfNX8gNv6rpt/m1 8PqPtZjBKozUT3DPEGkGU8weret71CviW7Hbcipm+WNWF0Tn+xuQP4YQlzux1arJKAb/ BkxXD3+x0HJTDS8HdAqu0niod7/6jKhwoldsgXn8jvtuufxICQX5mXPwQ1UMr9ghwqme hBaxZiJL+YOzVhWL9c5I/IzuUJubqq7ocYGfn0fV4aMzO6R3yyx66J6KGVtAbkyIubyR Xovt1ZqJU4LpKCgbNSHaWjBx8u4Qp+39P9OdH79EsCnXhUZv5jcjWTbguJCXfqMngqLf HFlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=JNacN2NMGqOwR92JfkXHKjN9XL5lULyXMmwWk6gArJ4=; b=fYpIX27LRbzWDrxUBcb7DRqVVOYk7zX5w9BcA1eMuzrpjoVp+U+65ZZ8xwelPvMUx3 atPPkoE47ejlGh+aGdlajueqvKGYWIjC6ZspZrQtBgyrH/poE/4E6S84pSYMhLbRXvod 0mqGKH8/KiK1mZ5klFK4QD1ynIQis6p3fgvZSZD4fL0u4UY5cWmkrf/myfY+rmiKPkYa tpavF4lIbQ5Xw5196e2s85rlxcM28jAvJctiVAz+nwFIfBpSCyCYaEUkK+dT+xOgl9ue pke1BcaEjhhNp/wObdQ22xmxWXjwvLEZSinZxes1Q276mF+pa0bD0i7dKxWD6upYLSPI 4T1A== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKwSolil7pgftiiohSquVTM3GPERS0jdobZyWL47RWq/u2vDEjEstml7iVytfmiAw== X-Received: by 10.107.132.18 with SMTP id g18mr18777525iod.48.1457818488083; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:34:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Hermes.local (mail.johnwiegley.com. [208.82.103.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id mu8sm3456343igb.16.2016.03.12.13.34.46 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5352A4F07D38; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:34:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:25:55 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord), emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201559 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > I think we should first mention that arrow keys work, then invite users to > learn C-b etc. saying that editing will be faster. This would be my preference as well, as well as to mention that the concept of 'b' meaning "backward" will recur in other contexts as they learn more. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2