From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 11:20:31 -0700 Message-ID: References: <3ba077a2-21e0-9799-4f8b-c07bd1623853@yandex.ru>>> <6a4860bb-2b39-4da4-b2a7-7b8d15211fee@default>>> <831t5hkg6x.fsf@gnu.org>>> <7da95e19-50ff-4ca5-a5b8-2a7f65c2a7cd@default>> <83oa8liz53.fsf@gnu.org>> <9565500b-a35d-4de1-922d-c0131ff35ff8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462387728 12782 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 18:48:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, heinz@h-rommerskirchen.de, kaushal.modi@gmail.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 20:48:35 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1qc-00048F-IZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 20:48:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49710 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1qV-0003dj-HQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:48:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48186) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1qM-0003Rb-Q9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:48:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1qA-0000M4-Uh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54096) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1q9-0000KU-PN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1q6-0007oj-DV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:48:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.146238763429828 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 18:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 18:47:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1pK-0007kn-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com ([209.85.218.45]:36592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1pH-0007gD-5t for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id x201so76424930oif.3 for <23426@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:47:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=+KK23Dl76m1Dc5+6q0m0HiH9ZDBDXwhseWUdkezSVdw=; b=IJnb/ZGI1gHDKwwp8JXYv4OXo6LzwgtQhpE65VfmDy8ipwv3Ygx22AlEwCJ3mAB2a5 0Mh4pZW5NCQhfdlM4nd1cvORNEXrJka0PKS9JQ5bVmzMs8B9b4tlvU3S8Ho82+u0Nrtj YAUWPvf+9AGRIaZDpy+QvXNuHsm2W3aJ/zoqVh3zkmzSkWpyeT+qqoZgjDjGYJTs+D3Z ix6AEwTJvRTc2j4w/NRgvKPrNHQbrS1O4ffKUwZChDZPprB34/dipeHKhNya1l07sj5B 3hnuR4eDL9PHiSY1s2qpkKW0Nw9ejdY0on/VAT0CIrYR31js1i/yzb6+lYXqv4HRu3uJ jXZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=+KK23Dl76m1Dc5+6q0m0HiH9ZDBDXwhseWUdkezSVdw=; b=b8uPtRxLEfhI9xnNqJXzPfqa8WGK2JZUL2HwShUoItHt9xpNcFhVB5eJ0LqPNyNR/o lrljU7UX9ADW4g0eYmoVBYwK7SoVgrhMSTZpsE1B6KRY38V2PmK5pi1PL4+myeuVwC62 D0794qUXq4nSgG/3sGLofu3PEQLEB225zIg3AqXVeilM2iWVb0FVhjiGNBjdVszOyTuO kTkqvy7q1UMYiaduTwP3utROCXSkIsm1KVC5wgSB9fJoQdKrtDPybBm+/MPufDW/dpTZ aj+UTXoHRZ9A67AvGZgt0+uB9DZX0sMOYuwC/NbgNWqkEOYCADnqub1MZiB3gfQlbPeG anjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FX8ccFz52xHDQwQsccIhN5jL107BFyZmBEXo9M/VtwG2GrrTfB6fAhUgJEIoG6BYw== X-Received: by 10.157.43.33 with SMTP id o30mr5175369otb.146.1462387625459; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g4sm1831584obk.24.2016.05.04.11.47.03 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 May 2016 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6695D1496BBB4; Wed, 4 May 2016 11:47:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9565500b-a35d-4de1-922d-c0131ff35ff8@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 4 May 2016 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.93 (darwin) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117788 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Drew Adams writes: >> These commands were introduced with the explicit intent to replace the o= ld >> ones as 'A' and 'Q' bindings, so that tags-loop-continue would not be >> needed anymore. Again, the discussions about that were all held here, for >> quite a few moons. > I give up. Hi Drew, I think all of this is happening in an attempt to re-establish consistency among usage patterns, keybindings, and other features, so that the old tag lookup functionality can be entirely replaced by the new xref functionality. Could it all have happened differently? Sure; but as Eli and Dmitry have sa= id, that ship has sailed. It happened under a different maintainer, and so now = we have to accept what it is and work toward the best solution using this technology. It's that, or rip it all out altogether, which Eli assures me would be an unfortunate loss of time, energy, and some very nice improvemen= ts. So, if we could all just take a pause: nothing is perfect, and we're now trying to achieve the best stability we can in preparation for the next release. I'm quite open to future proposals regarding 26, if you want to st= art those discussions. Until then, let's try our best to help Eli and Dmitry and others to get these features ready for prime-time, rather than continuing to question things that happened and were discussed quite some months ago. Thanks! =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJXKj1vAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwXCAL/30P5iGUByb1axZU2YJI8isH SLe80TtpCD4PqPeNFaQZhWeE6rTnYTe8Z/krcCmF1jjVHadZdG0vlizpIH9I2T5y flZmFVbZJ78g3DLv+u8ZCEqor425ujeHBVMtmfX82z6PxuQDLB4opBpIc8DsXRgT 9uBPKz7mis4KysJf3cZAwV7jKuLzjyQ+jYY3Ow+Tl3ZStHw7bTOI8xXO10Ien/xv HwNa3aJOj0WQC4wTCqDd54wxq/jsskvvv0dbyzLcToeVevpZdtutjAj3Q6GKRcOe X9tWHm5xofiQDGIcFed2dhAYcyv7x30ukRsFwEtMtFTghMY8D28oKAawxoSAlhdp 9jHFT4x0fXIzqJpXTG0k579lPBfubn1l3jwF8xf/FRpq9is4sbbfqmkYz/QFECnb IhyqJYJRYbBPXeNo3fKn8av2OXQBGknkjDeeQxaPLAO8hLPMeDN7n7eIcWQRSsfD vSdFy5Wedvei4FxOnOX++fw2JZeXIMFJWALuj7ZaXA== =Hl5c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--