From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: set-locale-environement: strange default detection Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <867ioynheb.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1184755109 8141 80.91.229.12 (18 Jul 2007 10:38:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thomas Arendsen Hein , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 18 12:38:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IB6vH-0001Hy-VM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:38:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6vH-0003io-JN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:38:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6vD-0003fp-Hb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:38:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6vB-0003eA-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:38:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6vB-0003e3-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:38:17 -0400 Original-Received: from ns.km1136.keymachine.de ([62.141.58.119] helo=km1136.keymachine.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IB6vA-0004Tr-82; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:38:16 -0400 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslg245.osnanet.de [212.95.106.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by km1136.keymachine.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l6IAcBI8010199; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:38:11 +0200 Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Kenny MUA v.0409034.42) ID 1IB6xT-0007Ay-7P; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:40:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <867ioynheb.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed\, 18 Jul 2007 12\:19\:24 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75054 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > Sascha Wilde writes: >> a friend of mine (unfortunately a vim user, but a nice guy otherwise), >> tried emacs on Gnu/Linux and was surprised that `C-h t' presented him >> the German version of the tutorial. [...] > The problem is that we don't have finegrained support. For the > purpose of talking to the user, LC_MESSAGES is relevant. But Emacs so > rarely has the opportunity to talk anything but English to the user > that we simply have no reasonable interface into this for now. So maybe we should check for LANG, LC_ALL and maybe LC_MESSAGES in tutorial.el itself. Displaying the tutorial (one of the first things a new user sees from Emacs) in an unexpected language, ignoring the standard i18n environment, leaves an bad first impression. sascha -- Sascha Wilde - no sig today... sorry!