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Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': If I do `M-x customize-group tramp' (even after starting with -Q), I see: tramp-default-method-alist: Hide Value '(("\\`localhost\\'" "\\`root\\'" "su")) State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. (mismatch) Several things are wrong here: * I see the regular variable name instead of capitalized words space separated * The structure of the variable doesn't seem to be known to customize -- I don't get a nice editor * It *wasn't* changed, at least not by me, outside of Customize I managed, once, in an emacs started without -Q, to get `M-x customize-variable tramp-default-method-alist' To show me the structure of the variable, but I can't reproduce this. It still tells me falsely that it is "CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable." If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) of 2010-05-08 on black.local Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 configured using `configure '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc -mmacosx-version-min=10.5'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: nil value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Custom Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t show-paren-mode: t server-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-p M-p M-p M-p M-n M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p C-g C-e M-x M-p t r a m p - d e f m e C-. C-. C-. C-. C-, C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-n M-x c u s t o m - v a r C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n M-x r e p o r t - e m b u Recent messages: Searching subfile emacs-7... 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