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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, 21953@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#21953: Eliminate warnings in the emacs-25 release branch
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:06:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2fv02922u.fsf@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <081tbn5g02.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:17:33 -0500")

>>>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Sorry, but I have to say that I think this goal is firstly unachievable, and
> secondly won't make the release any better. In fact probably the opposite,
> by distracting from more important issues.

I've never worked on a project where getting to warning free was not both
achievable, and a good idea.

For example, at one point the Borland C++ compiler had over 4,000 warnings. As
such, every one of them was completely ignored. Later on, after much effort,
we reduced that number to zero. While doing so, we discovered that a crash bug
we'd been working for _days_ was loudly pointed out to us by the compiler in
that same set of warnings. Had the warnings been "real" to us, it would have
saved days of developer time, on several occasions. It's worth the effort.

Having enough warnings that they no longer warn of anything is pretty much the
same as turning them off. That's why I don't accept the "it's too hard"
argument. If it adds another month or two to our release cycle, so be it.
Emacs 25.1 is the time to get them under control.

Some warnings are not wise to fix, and these should be silenced; but such
decisions should be made either by class within a package, or individually.

John





  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-19  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-18 17:44 bug#21953: Eliminate warnings in the emacs-25 release branch John Wiegley
2015-11-18 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-18 18:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-18 18:17 ` Glenn Morris
2015-11-18 18:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-23 19:10     ` Glenn Morris
2015-11-23 22:04       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-23 22:47         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-24  3:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-24  3:40           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-24 17:40             ` Glenn Morris
2015-11-25  1:03               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18 19:09   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 20:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-18 20:57       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-19  2:06   ` John Wiegley [this message]
2015-11-19 17:20     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-19 17:29     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-19 17:37       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-19 17:46         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-19 17:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-19 18:18           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-19 18:34           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-19 19:05             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-19 20:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-19 20:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-19 20:31               ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-19 20:51                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-20  0:26                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-25 20:58           ` Andy Moreton
2015-11-26 17:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-19 20:01         ` David Engster
2015-11-19 20:26           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-19 20:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-20 10:41         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-19 17:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-18 18:39 ` Ken Brown
2015-11-18 18:52   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-18 19:19     ` Ken Brown
2015-11-18 20:38       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-18 20:57 ` Stephen Berman
     [not found] ` <mailman.233.1447954214.31583.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-11-24 19:55   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-25  0:28     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-25  9:31       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-25 14:36         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-25 15:50           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-25 18:54         ` Glenn Morris
2015-11-26  8:33 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-26 15:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-28 18:44     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-29  9:13       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-30  0:38         ` Richard Stallman

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