From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>, acm@muc.de, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:28:03 -0800 [thread overview] Message-ID: <m2fuyvyrvg.fsf@newartisans.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <83d1u2v0bw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:02:11 +0200") >>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> I think we should not emphasize QPatterns and UPatterns too much, >> because today, ``' is just a pcase macro. When not using ``' is pcase, >> we speak of just PATTERNs. > If we want to do that, we need to rewrite both the ELisp manual and the doc > string to never use these. I'm at least fine with de-emphasizing them. They convey no information at all (is it "Quoted" and "Unquoted"? What does that really mean, since they both have meanings in terms of matching, beyond their quotation level). So in a word, the two terms are almost worst than nothing. I prefer logical and explicit matches, where a logical match compares an entity against some form of query, while an explicit match is the special case of a query by `eq'. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2
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2015-12-16 20:26 The poor state of documentation of pcase like things Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-16 20:53 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-12-17 16:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-17 19:22 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-12-17 21:16 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-17 22:22 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 9:12 ` Rasmus
2015-12-18 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 9:57 ` Rasmus
2015-12-18 10:13 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-18 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 16:44 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 17:24 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-18 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 11:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 11:39 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-19 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 20:35 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 22:23 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-20 22:54 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 14:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-18 12:23 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-18 10:30 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 12:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-22 5:20 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-17 21:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-17 23:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-18 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 15:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-22 13:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-18 0:42 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-18 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-18 10:39 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 15:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:23 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 21:57 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-20 9:25 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-21 5:04 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-21 10:15 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-22 5:18 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-20 13:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-20 13:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-20 18:51 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-24 17:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-24 17:51 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-24 19:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:24 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 15:18 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:22 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 15:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 21:03 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:21 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 15:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 20:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:28 ` John Wiegley [this message]
2015-12-19 20:31 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:11 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 12:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-24 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-24 6:15 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-25 14:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-25 16:55 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-26 17:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-26 20:52 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-12-26 23:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-01 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-01 17:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 18:39 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-01 19:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-02 8:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-02 8:35 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 0:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 2:47 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 3:46 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 5:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 3:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-03 4:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 9:13 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 16:52 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-04 1:28 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-04 2:05 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 9:03 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-04 2:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-04 22:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03 0:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 1:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-03 1:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 2:49 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 10:49 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 1:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 2:48 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:11 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-01-03 3:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 3:55 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03 3:45 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-03 4:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 9:02 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 13:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 14:07 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 14:10 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-03 14:50 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 14:56 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-03 14:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 15:15 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 15:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 15:52 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 15:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 17:15 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 17:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 18:17 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-04 2:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-04 6:19 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-04 22:07 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-04 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 13:04 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources (was: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.) Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 14:43 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-23 14:46 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-23 15:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:07 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-23 15:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:31 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-24 13:15 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:17 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources (was: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.) Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 17:14 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 17:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 19:52 ` pcase vs. case (where it could also be used) [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-23 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 22:24 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-24 15:03 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:30 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:48 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 17:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 18:47 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 15:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-27 16:56 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 22:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-28 0:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 2:07 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 2:44 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 4:45 ` How other pattern-matching lisps do [Was: Re: pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources]] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 13:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-28 17:57 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 23:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 22:54 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 23:09 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 23:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 10:22 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 21:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 23:00 ` pcase ` meaning Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 23:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 0:17 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 1:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 16:05 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-29 17:26 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 0:27 ` pcase ` meaning Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 23:13 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 13:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-01 14:11 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 3:26 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-29 21:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 0:36 ` What `case' have done you? [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 1:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 6:31 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 15:47 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 22:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 20:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 23:33 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 23:44 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 23:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 4:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 14:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 14:18 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-11-01 14:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 1:43 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 1:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-06 1:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-25 20:36 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-25 20:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-11-25 21:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-26 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-26 20:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-26 22:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-11-27 5:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:47 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-24 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 19:00 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-24 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 16:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-24 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 7:17 ` Stephen Berman
2018-10-25 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-25 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 15:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-27 17:48 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-24 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-24 8:34 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-24 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-24 13:08 ` Daniel Pittman
2018-10-24 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-24 13:03 ` pcase pattern syntax (was: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources) Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 7:16 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-24 10:16 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources João Távora
2018-10-24 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-25 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 23:53 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-26 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 15:44 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 12:09 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-28 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 13:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-29 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 13:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-29 21:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 21:53 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 23:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-29 23:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-30 0:50 ` `pcase'/`case' implementation [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 13:07 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 23:30 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-11-01 0:16 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 1:40 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 4:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 5:21 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 19:35 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 19:49 ` TEIRLLM
2018-11-03 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-04 11:35 ` Nix
2018-11-04 12:40 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 19:51 ` TEIRLLM
2018-11-01 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-30 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 13:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 13:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 18:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:50 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 20:41 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 20:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 17:48 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 18:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:00 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-31 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 19:21 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:31 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-11-01 1:31 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 0:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-11-01 1:34 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-03 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 1:15 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 12:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 12:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 12:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 8:36 ` Achim Gratz
2018-11-01 10:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-01 12:29 ` Achim Gratz
2018-11-01 14:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 15:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 17:12 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 22:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-04 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-06 0:00 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-06 3:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 14:16 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-30 15:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 18:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 19:56 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 0:08 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-31 3:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 16:23 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-01 14:44 ` Andy Moreton
2018-11-01 15:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 17:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 17:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 23:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-05 2:01 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 4:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-05 23:06 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 18:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 0:21 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-29 14:47 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-29 18:49 ` pcase-lambda usage [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 23:34 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Van L
2018-10-31 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 17:22 ` John Wiegley
2018-10-23 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-04 2:54 ` The poor state of documentation of pcase like things Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-03 20:02 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-02 1:15 ` Richard Copley
2016-01-02 3:50 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-02 3:51 ` Drew Adams
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2016-01-01 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-16 21:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-17 13:59 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-17 17:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-19 15:26 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 16:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:29 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:06 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 17:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 18:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-19 20:42 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-20 13:11 ` Michael Heerdegen
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