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[74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m62sm169941qke.13.2016.08.17.21.56.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:56:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Andrew Hyatt's message of "Wed, 03 Aug 2016 22:38:08 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:122341 Archived-At: Andrew Hyatt writes: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header >> line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the invis= ible text is >> still invisible and point is now in the invisible part. >> >> I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper >> and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default. > > Sorry for the late reply. This is still a problem in Emacs 25. > > I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavior I > see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. I > still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part > (represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then my edit > indeed put the text before that invisible part. > > Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experience > and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on. No one has yet disagreed with me, so I'm going to mark this one as a wishlist - I think there is something that either Org or Viper could do to work better with each other, but this is more of a feature request than a bug IMHO.