* AI and Lisp @ 2019-06-23 18:22 Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs 2019-06-23 19:14 ` tomas 2019-09-07 4:43 ` VanL 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs @ 2019-06-23 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs I did AI in Computer School (course completed in 2012-05-30 [1]) but even tho I've heard Lisp (or LISP) has its roots in very, very early AI efforts, to nuke the Soviet Union and such, but also in terms of the language itself, the syntax, where you can make a pool of computations and then have the code change the operator, sine the operator can be both code and data... But I didn't pick any of this up from the course which didn't include any Lisp at all and was really poor in most (all?) respects... So if we think AI beyond some silly algorithm to find the shortest path an so on and instead let our minds climb up trees and hide behind boulders... yes, that sounds about right! If we think of a 2D game, which we don't have to write, we just think of it so we now can think of the AI aspect. We have one troll, which isn't the OP! :) but instead a strong, but slow beast, however witty in terms of engineering. strong: he can take two hits before he falls slow: he moves 2/3 the speed of his opponent witty: he has invented a drill that can destroy boulders, this takes some time tho Then we have an elf. The elf can only take one hit, however it moves at full speed, and can climb trees. And when in a tree, the troll cannot see or hurt the elf! Both are aware of their opponents characteristics. They both attack from a distance with projectiles, the troll with a throwing club and the elf shooting an arrow. The playfield is boulders and trees, neither of which can be passed right thru by the contestants, or shoot thru with projectiles. Now how ever below the two moons would one even go about writing AI for the elf and the troll? Where do you even start? [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/about/cv/CV -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-06-23 18:22 AI and Lisp Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs @ 2019-06-23 19:14 ` tomas 2019-06-24 4:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs 2019-06-24 19:16 ` Xavier Maillard 2019-09-07 4:43 ` VanL 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: tomas @ 2019-06-23 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 163 bytes --] [on trolls, elves and trees] Do yourself a favour and treat yourself to the Land of Lisp [1]. You might enjoy it. Cheers [1] https://nostarch.com/lisp.htm -- t [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-06-23 19:14 ` tomas @ 2019-06-24 4:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs 2019-06-24 7:13 ` tomas 2019-06-24 19:16 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs @ 2019-06-24 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs tomas wrote: > [on trolls, elves and trees] > > Do yourself a favour and treat yourself to > the Land of Lisp [1]. You might enjoy it. You do me an injustice :) This has been on my list [1] for at least 4y 1m 18d (1510d)! @book{land-of-lisp, author = {Conrad Barski}, isbn = 1593272812, publisher = {No Starch}, title = {Land of Lisp}, year = 2010 } I actually think it was the first book on Lisp I ever read. Not that I read tons of them after that of course... Wow! Only one! @book{lispcraft, author = {Robert Wilensky}, isbn = 0393954420, publisher = {Norton}, title = {LISPcraft}, year = 1984 } Actually my example was inspired by the ElfQuest comics: %%%% ElfQuest @book{complete-elfquest-4, author = {Wendy Pini and Richard Pini}, isbn = {978-1-50670-158-5}, publisher = {Dark Horse}, title = {Complete Elfquest 4}, year = {2017 (1994-96)} } @book{complete-elfquest-3, author = {Wendy Pini}, isbn = {978-1-50670-080-9}, publisher = {Dark Horse}, title = {Complete Elfquest 3}, year = 2016 } @book{complete-elfquest-2, author = {Wendy Pini}, isbn = 1616554088, publisher = {Dark Horse}, title = {Complete Elfquest 2}, year = 2015 } @book{complete-elfquest-1, author = {Wendy Pini and Richard Pini}, isbn = {978-1-61655-407-1}, publisher = {Dark Horse}, title = {Complete Elfquest 1}, year = 2014 } [1] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/books/books.bib -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-06-24 4:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs @ 2019-06-24 7:13 ` tomas 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: tomas @ 2019-06-24 7:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 467 bytes --] On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 06:25:32AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs wrote: > tomas wrote: > > > [on trolls, elves and trees] > > > > Do yourself a favour and treat yourself to > > the Land of Lisp [1]. You might enjoy it. > > You do me an injustice :) > > This has been on my list [1] for at least > 4y 1m 18d (1510d)! [...] But then, you know how to write a game :-) This AI thing? Oh, leave that to the marketing dept! Cheers -- t [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-06-23 19:14 ` tomas 2019-06-24 4:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs @ 2019-06-24 19:16 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2019-06-24 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tomas; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 21:14:46 +0200 > From: <tomas@tuxteam.de> > > [1:text/plain Hide] > > [on trolls, elves and trees] > > Do yourself a favour and treat yourself to > the Land of Lisp [1]. You might enjoy it. One of the best book I've ever read. I highly recommend it too. There is also, on a less *fun* way, Practical Lisp which is just outstanding ! - xma GPG: BA4909B7 8F04DE1B ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-06-23 18:22 AI and Lisp Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs 2019-06-23 19:14 ` tomas @ 2019-09-07 4:43 ` VanL 2019-09-07 10:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: VanL @ 2019-09-07 4:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes: > Where do you even start? From the discussions like those at [1]? Your example is likely solved by esports automatons created after AI crushed the Go champions and they cry in China, Korea. Stephen Wolfram mentions Alan Turing and Paul Dirac. [2] I don't know how good or true [3] is as a starter. [1] https://www.edge.org/conversation/w_daniel_hillis-emergences [2] https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/08/a-book-from-alan-turing-and-a-mysterious-piece-of-paper/ [3] https://pron.github.io/posts/computation-logic-algebra-pt1 -- © 2019 VanL gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 'If the bug bites don't fight it.' - Nancy S. Steinhardt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-09-07 4:43 ` VanL @ 2019-09-07 10:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor 2019-09-20 10:40 ` VanL 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2019-09-07 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs VanL wrote: >> Where do you even start? > > From the discussions like those at [1]? > Your example is likely solved by esports > automatons created after AI crushed the Go > champions and they cry in China, Korea. > Stephen Wolfram mentions Alan Turing and Paul > Dirac. [2] I don't know how good or true [3] > is as a starter. > > [1] https://www.edge.org/conversation/w_daniel_hillis-emergences > [2] https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/08/a-book-from-alan-turing-and-a-mysterious-piece-of-paper/ > [3] https://pron.github.io/posts/computation-logic-algebra-pt1 OK, so after reading all these, where would you say the starting point is? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: AI and Lisp 2019-09-07 10:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2019-09-20 10:40 ` VanL 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: VanL @ 2019-09-20 10:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes: >> [1] https://www.edge.org/conversation/w_daniel_hillis-emergences >> [2] >> https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/08/a-book-from-alan-turing-and-a-mysterious-piece-of-paper/ >> [3] https://pron.github.io/posts/computation-logic-algebra-pt1 > > OK, so after reading all these, where would you > say the starting point is? Have you seen the John McCarthy interview in which he says he is waiting for whoever has AI to let him know they have per? What do you mean AI? [1] The long and the short of it is [2] [3]. You can start at information theory [4] (at 12-minute mark) or representation theory [5] [6]. John Carmack was saying on Joe Rogan's #1369 podcast that a programmer operating the Neuralink on their own mind may get trapped in their pleasure center. Notice how he flows Judo and Rocket Science differently. [1] https://youtu.be/cvOTKFXpvKA The thinking machine (1961) [2] https://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw When Elon Musk realised China's richest man is... [3] Youtu.be Artificial Intelligence and International Affairs with Dr. Dario Gil | Foreign Policy Association [4] Youtu.be Neuralink Launch Event | Neuralink [5] http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/%7Ehistory/Biographies/Frobenius.html [6] https://youtu.be/dEv99vxKjVI at 32-minute mark EM asks, "What's outside the simulation?" #1369 Youtu.be Joe Rogan Experience | PowerfulJRE | #1369 John Carmack -- © 2019 VanL gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 'If the bug bites don't fight it.' - Nancy S. Steinhardt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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