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[217.227.98.74]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-42bbc8de253sm30160145e9.0.2024.08.30.23.49.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 30 Aug 2024 23:49:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87frql8axg.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Sat, 31 Aug 2024 07:26:51 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::330; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x330.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323230 Archived-At: Sean Whitton writes: > Hello, > > On Sat 31 Aug 2024 at 08:23am +08, Po Lu wrote: > >> AFAIK this construct is taught in the German education system, which >> probably gives rise to the bulk of its users. Not to imply that it >> isn't ungrammatical. > > I have a qualification in teaching English as a foreign language and did > so for two years. It feels like every country has its own set of both > incorrect and highly unidiomatic bits of English that somehow survive on > its syllabi. (And I assume the same is true for other languages taught > in English-speaking countries.) > > I haven't taught Germans, so thank you for sharing this. I think it's a meme that allows to make fun of Germans :-).