From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package initialization Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:40:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87twt1dmxu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21931.51113.826895.663216@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21932.20274.646021.600004@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21933.57277.184994.975734@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437460855 31963 80.91.229.3 (21 Jul 2015 06:40:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 21 08:40:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHRES-0003BB-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:40:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58153 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHRER-0000vl-Mv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45167) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHRDv-0000Qn-6g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHRDs-00016F-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]:36072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHRDr-000167-Pf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: by wgbcc4 with SMTP id cc4so54378718wgb.3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:40:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=r4/MvXykZQYgz1+AEIfPEV8l02HlHzgze4jYDhTt6SA=; b=koFJqxE9YychFv/YiXPbZp/36scWLiQRsT+RAAMyM5gFOqKEErtLBDVlzqmhSY+Nt4 g40cEO0fFAUb7Q57N4A07CjgN0Sq5q0ntiCIqix3rUFkXFKeAEJ0EH00zzA7JxNfykpg IvLtYHitPSf2GqxNYcY/N4Ohxj0awCuXxaLdB5GvlmA0aVCEL8zmMj2NwdIwPHOO25oO w1P7a0PlWqZdMTnfg3VA6fqur/vQHS2fWlDrhuBJ3g3Ydl9nkjU0tqgJkA/gcGv2C6nU J19a7s3snGXvunnic90y62FajiaIj4Hlzq3QLyJd4P3U14WjdWqGL+xqBbZCS8+6cP36 xOhQ== X-Received: by 10.194.184.82 with SMTP id es18mr66142180wjc.79.1437460815110; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ix (dial-177183.pool.broadband44.net. [212.46.177.183]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ej5sm35353661wjd.22.2015.07.20.23.40.13 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHRDo-0000XQ-H8; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:40:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <21933.57277.184994.975734@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:59:25 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188029 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 21 2015, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Helmut Eller writes: > > > I think we rather keep control of key bindings in our own hands; > > especially as we don't always agree with the Emacs maintainers > > (like the bindings for M-./M-, until recently etc). > > Since I don't know what those do in slime, perhaps you misunderstand > my point about keybindings in lisp-mode: I meant only the keybindings > that would allow slime users to invoke the most common functionality > conveniently. Then once they do that, slime-setup would be called > implicitly, and all keybindings would become available. Most of SLIME's commands don't work before the user creates a connection with `M-x slime' or 'M-x slime-connect'. Those two don't have key bindings; so I guess your idea is not applicable. I think it's also more natural to enable all of SLIME's keys in lisp-mode-hook, even if there's no connection yet, rather than as side effect of creating the first connection. Helmut