From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Too few people taking care of bug reports, Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:50:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: <8337wdn6uu.fsf@gnu.org> <86611975jo.fsf_-_@stephe-leake.org> <838u65kxly.fsf@gnu.org> <86mvuk4xxd.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <831tbwlext.fsf@gnu.org> <5643A77D.90704@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447275071 5819 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 20:51:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Leake , emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , john@yates-sheets.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 21:51:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcMD-00080u-5l for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:51:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42900 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcMD-0002KR-5n for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59445) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcMA-0002KA-NI for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:51:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcM9-0006d9-Kt for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]:34020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcM5-0006cM-PG; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:50:57 -0500 Original-Received: by padhx2 with SMTP id hx2so41050042pad.1; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:50:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=D8KkQ3or3chfQ8Lcf/xj+ijt3hUrsFQD+T2eidLSDig=; b=GcmS1AEaFfO0F7lTmyGNjbWbc1wLZNzGnUmIy1zG/BEz/PkGzedns/pZ1ReJhvE5cS uJoaLR/ys21uVZmH3kN5HJ001CtADjmlILttteDsLNh0qJJqHcvGZVXFapKBmyb9pT50 BTQnhXT6DUxfu7iOkcaEvbuQ+zeRwOlu03/COaExkJ31Xs0msqGQKMqJnGU6xmzEAoNN kGc67TnDPhAEagK1vEi/RQi9qHmSef9xnuD/VEB/CqBjUik2N3oMRhdZWXoj/RoDaQMN APdQKxIbS89aZ8DM4ZIDKAqS6A5XceieAsfyTxk6+18SgPU9XquV0cq3qtBR4qYfNWZo NzoQ== X-Received: by 10.66.199.5 with SMTP id jg5mr17586903pac.72.1447275057169; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:50:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.attlocal.net (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id eg5sm10961338pac.30.2015.11.11.12.50.55 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:50:55 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id D7ED010560299; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:50:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5643A77D.90704@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:39:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Leake , emacs-tangents@gnu.org, john@yates-sheets.org, Richard Stallman X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.tangents:3 Archived-At: >>>>> Dmitry Gutov writes: > Personally, I try to pay attention to bugs that are related to code that I > at least have touched at some point, or bugs that affect me directly, but it > seems there aren't too many of those. And I don't think it's reasonable to > expect much more of any contributor. I, at least, don't expect anything more than that from contributors. > Over time, we've put a lot of conditions on Emacs development. There's a lot > of code in the core, some of which is used by only marginal fractions of our > users and has no one personally responsible for it. Yet we feel obliged to > keep it in Emacs, because backward compatibility and careful deprecation > policy. Even though we're lacking in developers. The upcoming clarifications on ELPA policy may well lead to reducing the surface area of primary Emacs development. This will serve to focus the bug load of what is "core", although we'll still be maintaining some of the ELPA packages that don't have their own dedicated maintainers. > Our bug tracker is peculiar, and on its own turns many less experienced > users away. Users that could participate in triaging bugs, at least, if not > writing patches. Maybe trying out submitted patches, too. I very muchq agree with this. I have used many, _many_ bug trackers in the past, but I'm finding that debbugs is inhibiting my ability to interact conveniently with our bug database. It's hard to search for what I'm looking for, it's hard to navigate the bug tracker from within Emacs (is it just me, or is debbugs.el kind of terrible?), and unless I'm missing something, I can't edit a bug after I've found it through the web interface: I have to go to my mail reader in order to make changes to the bug via e-mail. It could also be that I just haven't discovered all of the tricks that Eli might know. Is there any documentation I should be reading beyond what's on the GNU bug tracker page? John