From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:56:47 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20171129233237.27462.23351@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <27985594-3bb4-ce88-8928-2ccfeac13eae@yandex.ru> <20171201154913.GB3840@ACM> <1e542021-e389-cca4-6acd-349efddb2652@yandex.ru> <20171201223529.GG3840@ACM> <4a94ec5c-efdd-50f1-ff4d-277f5f45c2df@yandex.ru> <83lgil1qme.fsf@gnu.org> <83d13x1j2s.fsf@gnu.org> <34abea95-c7f7-e8fa-8407-8c2fd2a4cfe1@yandex.ru> <83y3mkzw1n.fsf@gnu.org> <83mv2zzv7z.fsf@gnu.org> <83o9nexy48.fsf@gnu.org> <83d13uxug5.fsf@gnu.org> <41e3f343-816f-d2db-6575-6ef43d54957f@yandex.ru> <838tecuqjb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1512842261 14724 195.159.176.226 (9 Dec 2017 17:57:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (darwin) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Dmitry Gutov To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 09 18:57:37 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjNY-0003Tg-9S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 18:57:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42148 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjNa-0000Oj-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:57:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjMy-0000Oe-9A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:57:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjMv-0003VB-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:57:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjMv-0003Ut-35; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:56:57 -0500 Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]:41741) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjMu-0001Yw-Jx; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:56:56 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6764820A7C; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 12:56:55 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:56:55 -0500 X-ME-Sender: Original-Received: from localhost (76-234-69-149.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [76.234.69.149]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EB3377E16E; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 12:56:54 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <838tecuqjb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:47:04 +0200") Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220827 Archived-At: >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> And please keep in mind that 2 years without any additional users is not EZ> long enough to prove that this feature is useless. Let's also keep in mind EZ> that this feature was reviewed at the time and admitted into Emacs, which EZ> means Stefan did think at least back then that it could be useful in EZ> practice. We should give people a chance before deciding it is completely EZ> useless and worthy of removal. I agree with Eli here. It's very hard for any one person, with their own particular way of using Emacs, and communication channels they pay attention to, to know for certain what other people are using a feature for -- or if they're using it at all. Lest we forget: https://xkcd.com/1172/ So unless there's a more compelling reason, like that it's getting in your way, we'd need a stronger argument to reverse an agreed-upon decision that's only 2 years old. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2