From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Abrahams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7445: 23.2; weird customization behavior Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:04:57 -0500 Organization: BoostPro Computing Message-ID: References: <4CE7925D.8010204@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1290284080 9155 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2010 20:14:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7445@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 20 21:14:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PJtpT-0006sp-Rf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:14:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43348 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PJtpS-0008Uu-Rt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:14:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36013 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PJtpM-0008Um-QZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:14:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PJtpK-0000Bu-Kh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:14:27 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PJtpK-0000Bm-Hv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:14:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PJtbP-0005Tf-Gr; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:00:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: David Abrahams Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7445 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7445-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7445.129028319221031 (code B ref 7445); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2010 19:59:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PJtbD-0005TA-K3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:59:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com ([209.85.216.179]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PJtbC-0005T5-DF for 7445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:59:50 -0500 Original-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so53416qyk.3 for <7445@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:05:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.224.11.72 with SMTP id s8mr3393760qas.115.1290283499947; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:04:59 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zreba.local (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm1826770qcq.43.2010.11.20.12.04.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:04:59 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zreba.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zreba.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5DF36E2E42; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4CE7925D.8010204@gmx.at> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?Q?Goj=C5=8D?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.2 (x86_64-apple-darwin) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:00:03 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:41772 Archived-At: At Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:18:21 +0100, martin rudalics wrote: > > > If I do `M-x customize-group tramp' (even after starting with -Q), I see: > > > > tramp-default-method-alist: Hide Value '(("\\`localhost\\'" "\\`root\\'" "su")) > > State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. (mismatch) > > > > Several things are wrong here: > These are normal. When something goes wrong, options show up this way > because the customization interface doesn't see a nice way to format and > edit them reliably. > > Call `customize-rogue' for a list of options where customizing fails the > same way with emacs -Q. It's a nasty habit of programmers to ignore the > customization interface. So what you're saying is that this is a Tramp bug. OK, filed with `M-x tramp-bug'. Thanks. -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com