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From: Dave Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Multithreading, again and again
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:51:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2d3dsemcr.fsf@pluto.luannocracy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3k481103n.fsf@fleche.redhat.com


on Wed Oct 19 2011, Tom Tromey <tromey-AT-redhat.com> wrote:

> [ threading ]
>
> Stefan> We could provide a `fork' primitive, indeed.
>
> My impression is that 'fork' is difficult to implement portably.  You
> could try, I suppose.  Or there's "run a separate Emacs and communicate
> over pipes":
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-02/msg00534.html

There are packages that do this today and it works well, but IMO there's
insufficient standard infrastructure available to make it easy, and
that, in general, keeps packages from using process-level concurrency
effectively.  For what it's worth, experiments show that launching emacs
as a scripting engine (e.g. using it in a shebang) is actually more
efficient than launching some more traditional scripting languages.

> There are some aspects of sharing that may be hard (file descriptors).
> Also setting up initial state of the worker process is hard if one
> cannot truly fork.
>
> I do wonder why there hasn't been more experimentation with this
> approach, though, given that it is doable today just by running emacs as
> a subprocess.

Again, I think some beautiful and usable library code could make this
approach much more attractive and more widely used.  Emacs IPC anyone?

-- 
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com




  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-19 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-28  6:49 Multithreading, again and again Dmitry Antipov
2011-09-28  7:50 ` joakim
2011-09-28  7:55   ` Julien Danjou
2011-09-28 13:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-17 21:57   ` Juri Linkov
2011-10-18  1:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-19 15:18       ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-19 20:51         ` Dave Abrahams [this message]
2011-10-19 22:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-19 22:05             ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-20 23:00               ` John Wiegley
2011-10-20 23:52                 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-20 14:08             ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-20  1:12           ` SAKURAI Masashi
2011-10-20 17:09             ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-20 18:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-21  0:46                 ` SAKURAI Masashi
2011-10-21 14:18                   ` Nix
2011-10-21 14:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-22  3:40                       ` SAKURAI Masashi
2011-10-22 19:30                         ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-22 20:27                           ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-18  8:24     ` Helmut Eller
2011-09-28 15:55 ` Helmut Eller
2011-10-19 15:14 ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-19 15:20 ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-19 18:30   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-19 19:00     ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-19 21:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-20 17:07         ` Tom Tromey
2011-10-20 18:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-20 20:54             ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-20 20:57             ` Tom Tromey

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