From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Casting as wide a net as possible Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:02:06 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449774149 20632 80.91.229.3 (10 Dec 2015 19:02:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers , John Yates To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 10 20:02:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a76Tu-0006JR-4t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:02:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43995 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a76Tt-0001UI-CK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:02:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a76Tp-0001Ts-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a76Tl-0007v2-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:02:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]:34869) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a76Tk-0007uY-Sq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:02:12 -0500 Original-Received: by padhk6 with SMTP id hk6so11667760pad.2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:02:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=e3n4VMLXFyVchPyz5djqdlLNFPL6mXlIuB1ZqEZI/rE=; b=rS8HakBR7FdHFIEHmsfDD/Qym6oMGtEmPE1eyhLtGB2tpiBG2UQel33S0sRRq2kL6o B3TXEDct2+I5B5uDJCqXPw8F0BIXKii0Un0pdFAQjCBgw3AMfPba6tCbEXFO5FSw+Sjw 9eDuxBYMaNK2JJCx2bfnG8eXrasRFisQ0TM8buMx5WsHjlT1mmTbZAAvaXrTU780Mqjh qloprtpSQBNsvWeUXU9uBLUmCAe8n+/I3yZZkcBUdGV/i9RUMSezIJzKGeCOdzmqTCsB FD0/06Psj41W9kH12HKsWpXVhlrwinxcAEt1vBFaDLQ2ter4ftTOW11M/18IHrhujPnU ffdw== X-Received: by 10.66.192.7 with SMTP id hc7mr19174134pac.48.1449774131999; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. 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