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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250228 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 14 May 2020 01:14:36 -0400, Richard Stallman sa= id: Richard> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please conside= r ]]] Richard> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,= ]]] Richard> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's exam= ple. ]]] >> By the way, I probably wouldn't try to identify Emacs as just a text >> editor longer. Personally I see Emacs as en extensible platform, Richard> I designed Emacs to be a text editor. Richard> I am disappointed that people extend Emacs ONLY to do other un= related Richard> jobs while NOT extending the kinds of text editing it will do. What, specifically, is missing in that area? If you=CA=BCre talking about WYSIWYG-related features, I have free programs that can do that, and I don=CA=BCt use them much directly: I use emacs to generate their format, then touch up the results afterwards. Robert