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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253640 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:05:51 +0100, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora said: Jo=C3=A3o> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 5:11 PM Robert Pluim wrote: >> The alternative is to register an 'Emacs' app, do the hoop jumping, >> and stick the various secret tokens in the Emacs sources, but as I >> understand it that=CA=BCs expressly forbidden by Google's terms-of-u= se >> (correct me if I=CA=BCm wrong, I haven't read them). >>=20 Jo=C3=A3o> Thanks for the clear explanation. I suppose this will affect= mbsync/isync Jo=C3=A3o> as well. Is it very hard to design a program that periodical= ly does Jo=C3=A3o> all that "hoop jumping" for me and and writes to ~/.authinfo= or to Jo=C3=A3o> pass(1)'s password store? If I=CA=BCm not mistaken, the python script used by mutt that was mentioned earlier does quite a bit of it. I don=CA=BCt know if it could be rewritten in elisp. Jo=C3=A3o> I=CA=BCm starting to agree with Stefan here: maybe it=CA=BCs= time to start using >> a different email provider. >>=20 Jo=C3=A3o> Maybe. But, sorry for the naive question, do you plan to thr= ow Jo=C3=A3o> the gmail address away? I=CA=BCve fallen into the Google trap the same as many have: too much of my life, online and off, depends on that address, so I=CA=BCd have to set up a forwarder. [1] Jo=C3=A3o> Jo=C3=A3o, Jo=C3=A3o> who had just gotten mbsync/gnus working decently some months= ago If this is 'no-cost' gmail, I think that might continue working for a while (at least until someone at Google decides it=CA=BCs 'legacy' and forces everyone to OAuth2, much like Microsoft are doing). Robert "feeling like a very grumpy old man at the moment" Footnotes: [1] If I=CA=BCm feeling really brave I=CA=BCll follow Lars' "how to set up= a modern SMTP server" guide.