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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Ali Bahrami <ali_gnu2@emvision.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Removal of unexec support from glibc malloc
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:45:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2bn8iiha6.fsf@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <569D6B1E.6020002@emvision.com> (Ali Bahrami's message of "Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:45:50 -0700")

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>>>>> Ali Bahrami <ali_gnu2@emvision.com> writes:

> Unexec is complicated, and it is a problem for alternative non-brk based
> mallocs, or ASLR. One of the strong design points of emacs is its use of a
> minimal and simple C core, with the system largely written in lisp. Losing
> unexec would leave an even simpler core.

> Before you fight to to save unexec, I'd encourage you to measure the impact,
> and see if it still matters. If it does, then it would be worthwhile to
> consider other means for getting those bytes into memory quickly that don't
> involve second guessing object layout, memory allocation, and process
> layout. Speaking as a linker guy, linking is only going to get more dynamic,
> and more complex, going forward. You might be glad, down the road, to be out
> of that game.

> That's not to say that John's concerns above aren't reasonable. This is big
> enough that you don't want to force it, but perhaps it's time to start
> considering alternatives.

I agree with what you're saying. Several voices have already voiced that we'd
like to move away from the complexity of "being in the malloc business"
(thanks, Paul). Now I'd like to know what it will take to get us there.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-18 23:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-18 12:33 Removal of unexec support from glibc malloc Florian Weimer
2016-01-18 19:20 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 20:27   ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19 13:52     ` Should Glibc API be changed? Richard Stallman
2016-01-19 16:40       ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-20  2:56         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-20 17:07           ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-23  5:56     ` Removal of unexec support from glibc malloc Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 22:08       ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-18 22:45   ` Ali Bahrami
2016-01-18 23:45     ` John Wiegley [this message]
2016-01-19  0:45     ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-19  0:56       ` Ali Bahrami
2016-01-19  1:14     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19  1:44       ` Ken Raeburn
2016-01-19  1:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19  3:10           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-01-19  3:17             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19  7:03         ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19  8:36           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-01-19 16:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-19  1:45       ` Ali Bahrami
2016-01-19  2:03         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-19 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20  2:57           ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-20  7:43             ` David Caldwell
2016-01-20  9:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21  3:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-21  3:00               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-19 15:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-19 20:37       ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-01-20  2:56         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-23 13:51           ` Michael Sperber
2016-01-23 20:36             ` Marcus Crestani
2016-01-19 23:53   ` Sam Steingold
2016-01-18 19:24 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 19:30   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 19:47     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 19:54       ` Zack Weinberg
2016-01-18 19:55         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 22:27           ` Joseph Myers
2016-01-18 23:16             ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-18 19:50     ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 19:54       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 20:02       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 20:05         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 22:10           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-01-18 22:12             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 22:36               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-23  5:50               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-18 20:24         ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-18 20:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 20:36             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-18 22:42           ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 23:23             ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19  6:31               ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-19  9:27                 ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19 10:14                   ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19 13:27                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-01-19 16:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30  9:38                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-18 22:44       ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-19  3:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23  5:49           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23  7:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 15:29               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23 15:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 22:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23 22:52               ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 22:17                 ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-27  1:32                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-27  3:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27  9:04                     ` Florian Weimer
2016-01-27 16:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27 22:54                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-27 22:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-18 23:15   ` Florian Weimer

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