From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
p.stephani2@gmail.com, nilsb@google.com,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Making better use of the "release blocking list" [was: bug#23288: 25.0.92; Clicking on links inserts primary X selection]
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 10:21:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2bn4b2nv0.fsf_-_@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mibn4bxlva.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 12 May 2016 12:49:13 -0400")
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[I'm moving this discussion from Bug #23288 to Emacs-Devel, to widen
participation]
>>>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Sorry, I don't see the list of blocking bugs being treated seriously. If we
>> did treat it seriously, we wouldn't have had "deep freeze" on emacs-25, and
>> wouldn't be planning the release in less than a month.
> Indeed. Though I have noticed some people looking at those issues recently
> (thanks!).
> I'd hope those in charge would be encouraging people to work on those
> issues, but I haven't noticed it happening.
I've already asked for everyone to focus on that list until release. Did you
not see that? I've mentioned it in a few places.
> Previous Emacs releases weren't time-based, but were made when they were
> ready.
I only introduced a date to focus our decision making around 25.1, and since
this is what I'm used to doing to ship software.
HOWEVER, if having a date is stressful or unpleasant for those doing the work,
we can get rid of it. I'm not doing this to put undue pressure on anyone.
Personally, I don't mind if Emacs 25 takes another year to happen, since the
pretests are working well and 24.5 is fully capable.
I want to know what works best for those doing the actual release work. Do you
want a timeframe? Do you want a release-blocking list?
If you'd prefer to do this in an unstructured way -- if that's what will
improve our bug closure rate and our code quality -- then by all means. But I
want to hear that from the core developers first, as it also introduces a bit
of chaos (for example, I'd have no real metric by which to ask people to
revert a change they just made on a release branch, other than gut feeling).
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-12 17:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-14 12:31 bug#23288: 25.0.92; Clicking on links inserts primary X selection Philipp Stephani
2016-04-14 15:33 ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-14 17:14 ` Nils Berg
2016-04-16 13:36 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-04-18 8:50 ` Nils Berg
2016-04-20 16:53 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-05-10 21:25 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-05-11 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-11 8:32 ` Nils Berg
2016-05-11 13:01 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-05-11 13:14 ` Nils Berg
2016-05-11 13:32 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-05-11 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-11 18:18 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-11 18:40 ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-11 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-12 5:42 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-12 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-12 21:24 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-12 16:49 ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-12 17:21 ` John Wiegley [this message]
2016-05-12 21:43 ` Making better use of the "release blocking list" [was: bug#23288: 25.0.92; Clicking on links inserts primary X selection] Paul Eggert
2016-05-16 19:08 ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-18 6:09 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-21 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-21 20:48 ` Mike Kupfer
2016-05-23 4:58 ` Bill Wohler
2016-05-30 23:21 ` Bill Wohler
2016-05-22 2:02 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-22 4:52 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-22 16:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-22 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-22 21:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-22 21:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-23 2:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-23 13:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-23 16:15 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-23 16:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-23 17:39 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-23 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-13 9:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-13 16:36 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-20 18:24 ` bug#23288: 25.0.92; Clicking on links inserts primary X selection Philipp Stephani
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