* Re: BZR error!
@ 2010-01-04 13:50 Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 20:29 ` Christian Lynbech
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-01-04 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs
Juanma Barranquero wrote:
> Likely you're using the sftp transport, while Angelo is using http.
> Perhaps the 150 MB choke the http transport.
The first time (a few days ago), I did
bzr checkout --lightweight http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk
emacs-trunk
and than, always:
cd emacs-trunk
bzr up
It worked just fine (I did several builds) up to this morning. The trunk
size is
$ du -s emacs-trunk
110M
which is the same I got with 'cvs up...'
Ciao,
Angelo.
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* BZR error!
@ 2010-01-04 10:01 Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 12:30 ` Tassilo Horn
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-01-04 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs
This morning 'bzr up' fails:
$ bzr up
bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request (403
Forbidden) for http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
Up to a few hours ago (this night, rev. 99249) it worked just fine (I
use it since 20091228).
Ciao,
Angelo.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 10:01 Angelo Graziosi
@ 2010-01-04 12:30 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-01-04 12:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 21:39 ` Tom Tromey
2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2010-01-04 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
Hi Angelo,
> $ bzr up
> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request (403
> Forbidden) for http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
>
> Up to a few hours ago (this night, rev. 99249) it worked just fine (I
> use it since 20091228).
Hm, I did a "bzr pull" right now, and it worked fine, although it
downloaded more than 150MB!!!
BTW, what's the difference between pull and update? Is "bzr update" a
pull without commit followed by a merge with local modifications, and
"bzr pull" a pull with direct commit?
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 12:30 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2010-01-04 12:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 13:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-04 13:30 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-01-04 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 13:30, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> Hm, I did a "bzr pull" right now, and it worked fine, although it
> downloaded more than 150MB!!!
Likely you're using the sftp transport, while Angelo is using http.
Perhaps the 150 MB choke the http transport.
Juanma
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 12:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2010-01-04 13:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-04 13:30 ` Tassilo Horn
1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2010-01-04 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:
>> Hm, I did a "bzr pull" right now, and it worked fine, although it
>> downloaded more than 150MB!!!
>
> Likely you're using the sftp transport, while Angelo is using http.
> Perhaps the 150 MB choke the http transport.
I don't think so. The error message appears after less than 2 seconds
for me.
--
Óscar
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 12:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 13:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
@ 2010-01-04 13:30 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-01-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2010-01-04 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:
Hi Juanma,
>> Hm, I did a "bzr pull" right now, and it worked fine, although it
>> downloaded more than 150MB!!!
>
> Likely you're using the sftp transport,
Right.
> while Angelo is using http. Perhaps the 150 MB choke the http
> transport.
That would be a bug or savannah config problem, right?
Anyway, I still don't get where those 150MB come from. Checking
.bzr/repositories/packs, the only one with a modification time from
today has only 27 MB. The indices in .bzr/repositories/packs that were
modified with the last pull sum up to only about 300KB.
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 13:30 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2010-01-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-04 20:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-01-04 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tassilo Horn; +Cc: emacs-devel
> From: Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>
> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:30:08 +0100
>
> Anyway, I still don't get where those 150MB come from.
As I wrote earlier today in another thread, the branches on the trunk
were reorganized, I don't know by whom and why. Perhaps this is the
reason for the humongous data size bzr needed to fetch. But that's
just a guess.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2010-01-04 20:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-01-04 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Tassilo Horn, emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> As I wrote earlier today in another thread, the branches on the trunk
> were reorganized, I don't know by whom and why. Perhaps this is the
> reason for the humongous data size bzr needed to fetch. But that's
> just a guess.
The branches are all sharing the same repository, so it does not matter
where they are located or how they are named.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-04 20:28 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-01-04 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 4:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-04 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Tassilo Horn, emacs-devel
>> Anyway, I still don't get where those 150MB come from.
> As I wrote earlier today in another thread, the branches on the trunk
> were reorganized, I don't know by whom and why. Perhaps this is the
> reason for the humongous data size bzr needed to fetch. But that's
> just a guess.
The reorganization is unrelated. The 150MB is a side-effect of some
"minor" commits I made yesterday which don't even change any file.
I wouldn't have made those commits if I had known,
Stefan
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-05 4:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-05 6:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-01-05 4:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: tassilo, emacs-devel
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:39:40 -0500
>
> The 150MB is a side-effect of some "minor" commits I made yesterday
> which don't even change any file. I wouldn't have made those
> commits if I had known,
How about telling more about those troublesome commits, so we all
could avoid that in the future?
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 4:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2010-01-05 6:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-05 15:10 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2010-01-05 6:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> The 150MB is a side-effect of some "minor" commits I made yesterday
>> which don't even change any file. I wouldn't have made those
>> commits if I had known,
>
> How about telling more about those troublesome commits, so we all
> could avoid that in the future?
Furthermore, the bazaar developers could be informed about that
circumstance. It looks like something that requires a fix.
--
Óscar
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 6:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
@ 2010-01-05 15:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 15:49 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-05 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Óscar Fuentes; +Cc: emacs-devel
>>> The 150MB is a side-effect of some "minor" commits I made yesterday
>>> which don't even change any file. I wouldn't have made those
>>> commits if I had known,
>> How about telling more about those troublesome commits, so we all
>> could avoid that in the future?
I installed a change that "merges" some old branch (already merged,
really). I.e. it only updates the merge meta-data. But when you update
it ends up loading a whole bunch of large files to finally decide that
there's nothing to do.
> Furthermore, the bazaar developers could be informed about that
> circumstance. It looks like something that requires a fix.
I'm sure they're not interested: if you use the bzr+ssh access method
rather than sftp, it downloads less than a megabyte.
Stefan
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 15:10 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-05 15:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-05 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-01-05 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Óscar Fuentes, emacs-devel
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> I'm sure they're not interested: if you use the bzr+ssh access method
> rather than sftp, it downloads less than a megabyte.
The bzr+ssh method would have downloaded about the same amount.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 15:49 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-01-05 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 17:16 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-05 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: Óscar Fuentes, emacs-devel
>> I'm sure they're not interested: if you use the bzr+ssh access method
>> rather than sftp, it downloads less than a megabyte.
> The bzr+ssh method would have downloaded about the same amount.
Hmm... it didn't for me (I use many machines, so I update my trunk
mirror via sftp and then the other mirrors from that one mirror via
bzr+ssh).
But of course, maybe something else I did earlier in those repositories
already downloaded the relevant data.
Stefan
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-05 17:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-05 17:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-01-05 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Óscar Fuentes, emacs-devel
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> But of course, maybe something else I did earlier in those repositories
> already downloaded the relevant data.
One of your merge commit merged the history of rmail-mbox-branch (225
revisions). Since you did the merge you already had it locally, but
someone who didn't branch it previously needs to download it together
with this merge commit.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 17:16 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-01-05 17:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2010-01-05 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>> But of course, maybe something else I did earlier in those repositories
>> already downloaded the relevant data.
>
> One of your merge commit merged the history of rmail-mbox-branch (225
> revisions). Since you did the merge you already had it locally, but
> someone who didn't branch it previously needs to download it together
> with this merge commit.
I doubt that the 225 revisions of rmail-mbox-branch plus the other
revisions merged into trunk require a 177 MB download from a smart
server. It would look like a very dumb server.
--
Óscar
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 10:01 Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 12:30 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2010-01-04 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 14:45 ` Angelo Graziosi
` (2 more replies)
2010-01-04 21:39 ` Tom Tromey
2 siblings, 3 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-01-04 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Emacs
Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
> This morning 'bzr up' fails:
>
> $ bzr up
> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
> (403 Forbidden) for
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
May be related to the fact that trunk is a symlink now. As a workaround
you can use the emacs-23 branch instead.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-01-04 14:45 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 14:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 15:33 ` Sven Joachim
2010-01-04 17:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-01-04 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: Emacs
Il 04/01/2010 15.32, Andreas Schwab ha scritto:
> Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
>
>> This morning 'bzr up' fails:
>>
>> $ bzr up
>> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
>> (403 Forbidden) for
>> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
>
> May be related to the fact that trunk is a symlink now. As a workaround
> you can use the emacs-23 branch instead.
This means I have to re-download the full trunk? and how?
Angelo
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 14:45 ` Angelo Graziosi
@ 2010-01-04 14:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 15:05 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-01-04 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Emacs
Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
> This means I have to re-download the full trunk?
No, just edit branch.conf and change trunk to emacs-23 in the
parent_location.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 14:49 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-01-04 15:05 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Tassilo Horn
` (2 more replies)
2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 3 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-01-04 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: Emacs
Il 04/01/2010 15.49, Andreas Schwab ha scritto:
> Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
>
>> This means I have to re-download the full trunk?
>
> No, just edit branch.conf and change trunk to emacs-23 in the
> parent_location.
WHAT???
Sorry I do not know anything of branch.conf. I want, if possible, only
to download development source, build, test and report if I find
problems. With CVS this was simple:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co -P emacs
and
cd emacs
cvs up -dP
Now it is much complicated!
Since this morning the following do not work any more and produce same
errors:
$ bzr branch --stacked http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk emacs-trunk
bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request (403
Forbidden) for http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
$ bzr checkout --lightweight http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk
emacs-trunk
bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request (403
Forbidden) for http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
YOU need to say people how to get in simple way Emacs dev. source, not
how to complicate their life. I need source only to build etc. not to
became e developer!
At least your wiki page should be rewritten!
Perhaps you should set up an rsync so that who needs only source have a
simple way to obtain it (TeXLive peolpe have, for example).
Thanks,
Angelo.
PS - What have we gained migrating from CVS to BAZAAR? Why not SVN,
which is simpler than BAZAAR?
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:05 ` Angelo Graziosi
@ 2010-01-04 15:27 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-01-04 15:33 ` Werner LEMBERG
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 16:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2010-01-04 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
>>> This means I have to re-download the full trunk?
>>
>> No, just edit branch.conf and change trunk to emacs-23 in the
>> parent_location.
>
> WHAT???
Just edit that file in the .bzr/branch/ subdirectory.
> Sorry I do not know anything of branch.conf. I want, if possible,
> only to download development source, build, test and report if I find
> problems. With CVS this was simple:
>
> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co -P emacs
>
> and
>
> cd emacs
> cvs up -dP
Hm, maybe making nightly snapshots available would be good.
> PS - What have we gained migrating from CVS to BAZAAR? Why not SVN,
> which is simpler than BAZAAR?
Because SVN uses a central repository just like CVS does, and we wanted
to have a decentralized version control system, which are a bit more
complicated by their nature. Anyway, the usage for users who just want
to have the bleeding edge version should be and is simple: bzr pull.
That this doesn't work currently seems to be a bug in the setup, which
will be fixed ASAP, I guess.
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2010-01-04 15:33 ` Werner LEMBERG
2010-01-04 15:41 ` Miles Bader
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2010-01-04 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tassilo; +Cc: emacs-devel
>> PS - What have we gained migrating from CVS to BAZAAR? Why not
>> SVN, which is simpler than BAZAAR?
>
> Because SVN uses a central repository just like CVS does, and we
> wanted to have a decentralized version control system, which are a
> bit more complicated by their nature.
The question is rather, from a practical point of view: Why have
migrated to Bazaar and not to git? Up to now, the whole issue is just
a political decision (which I really, really don't like) with ENDLESS
pain.
Werner
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:33 ` Werner LEMBERG
@ 2010-01-04 15:41 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-04 15:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
2 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2010-01-04 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Werner LEMBERG; +Cc: tassilo, emacs-devel
Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
> The question is rather, from a practical point of view: Why have
> migrated to Bazaar and not to git? Up to now, the whole issue is just
> a political decision (which I really, really don't like) with ENDLESS
> pain.
Yes
-Miles
--
Yo mama's so fat when she gets on an elevator it HAS to go down.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:33 ` Werner LEMBERG
2010-01-04 15:41 ` Miles Bader
@ 2010-01-04 15:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 15:56 ` Werner LEMBERG
2010-01-04 16:05 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
2 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-01-04 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Werner LEMBERG; +Cc: tassilo, emacs-devel
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 16:33, Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> wrote:
> The question is rather, from a practical point of view: Why have
> migrated to Bazaar and not to git? Up to now, the whole issue is just
> a political decision (which I really, really don't like) with ENDLESS
> pain.
Endless pain? Most of the "pain" is apparently because of complexity,
and a cursory look at git's documentation shows that git is not the
cure for complexity, not by a long shot. I happen to like git, BTW, so
no need to try to convince me that it is good; but the sheer number of
options in each command just looks like a joke.
For me, the main pain right now, other than trying to decide the
appropriate workflows (which would happen with any dVCS), is slowness
accessing the repository; but that's not a flaw of Bazaar. Once the
Savannah admins switch us over to bzr+ssh, speed of access should stop
being a concern.
Juanma
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2010-01-04 15:56 ` Werner LEMBERG
2010-01-04 15:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 16:05 ` Miles Bader
1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2010-01-04 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lekktu; +Cc: tassilo, emacs-devel
> For me, the main pain right now, other than trying to decide the
> appropriate workflows (which would happen with any dVCS), is
> slowness accessing the repository; but that's not a flaw of Bazaar.
I'm not so sure about this...
> Once the Savannah admins switch us over to bzr+ssh, speed of access
> should stop being a concern.
It's a mystery to me why this hasn't been done from day one of Bazaar
support on Savannah.
Werner
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 15:56 ` Werner LEMBERG
@ 2010-01-04 16:05 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-04 16:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2010-01-04 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: tassilo, emacs-devel
Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:
> Endless pain? Most of the "pain" is apparently because of complexity,
> and a cursory look at git's documentation shows that git is not the
> cure for complexity, not by a long shot. I happen to like git, BTW, so
> no need to try to convince me that it is good; but the sheer number of
> options in each command just looks like a joke.
Er, options are _optional_. Most people don't use most of them...
-Miles
--
Christian, n. One who follows the teachings of Christ so long as they are not
inconsistent with a life of sin.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:33 ` Werner LEMBERG
2010-01-04 15:41 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-04 15:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
2 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-05 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Werner LEMBERG; +Cc: tassilo, emacs-devel
GNU is not just a label. It is a large software project composed of
many parts. So GNU packages have to support each other.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:05 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2010-01-04 15:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-04 15:48 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 16:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-01-04 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Emacs
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 16:05, Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> wrote:
> With
> CVS this was simple:
>
> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co -P emacs
>
> and
>
> cd emacs
> cvs up -dP
>
> Now it is much complicated!
bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs
and
cd emacs
bzr pull
does not seem "much more complicated". That it works right now or not
is unrelated, and just transitory (apparently it works now if you use
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/emacs-23).
> $ bzr branch --stacked http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk emacs-trunk
Why do you use --stacked?
> $ bzr checkout --lightweight http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk
Why do you use --lightweight?
> YOU need to say people how to get in simple way Emacs dev. source, not how
> to complicate their life. I need source only to build etc. not to became e
> developer!
>
> At least your wiki page should be rewritten!
My, you have a nice way to ask for help.
> PS - What have we gained migrating from CVS to BAZAAR? Why not SVN, which is
> simpler than BAZAAR?
Define "we". Developers have gained the possibility of having all the
tools of a VCS for their local developments. Search google for the
differences between centralized and distributed VCS.
Juanma
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2010-01-04 15:48 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 15:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-01-04 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Emacs
Il 04/01/2010 16.27, Juanma Barranquero ha scritto:
>
> bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs
>
> and
>
> cd emacs
> bzr pull
>
> does not seem "much more complicated". That it works right now or not
> is unrelated, and just transitory (apparently it works now if you use
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/emacs-23).
Indeed, I used them! Only that now they do not work any more. If it is
transitory, I can wait: I have just flagged the problem.
>
>> $ bzr branch --stacked http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk emacs-trunk
>
> Why do you use --stacked?
>
>> $ bzr checkout --lightweight http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk
>
> Why do you use --lightweight?
Adding '--stacked' or '--lightweight', the tree I obtain has a size of
110M, as with CVS. Without them it is almost 200M: it add something that
to the end of build it is not useful.
> Define "we".
Oops, 'you developers'! Sorry!
For the sake of completeness, this work:
$ bzr checkout --lightweight
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/emacs/trunk emacs-trunk
cd emacs-trunk
bzr up
Ciao,
Angelo.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:48 ` Angelo Graziosi
@ 2010-01-04 15:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-01-04 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Emacs
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 16:48, Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> wrote:
> Indeed, I used them! Only that now they do not work any more.
So, when thinks stop working, it's not that they fail, is that they
suddenly turn from "easy" to "complex". Curious.
>> Define "we".
>
> Oops, 'you developers'! Sorry!
Nice again.
> For the sake of completeness, this work:
>
> $ bzr checkout --lightweight
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/emacs/trunk emacs-trunk
>
> cd emacs-trunk
> bzr up
I think this is a mirror of the Emacs trunk.
Juanma
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 15:05 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-01-04 15:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2010-01-04 16:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2010-01-04 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
[snip]
> $ bzr branch --stacked http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk emacs-trunk
> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
> (403 Forbidden) for
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
>
> $ bzr checkout --lightweight http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk
> emacs-trunk
> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
> (403 Forbidden) for
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
>
> YOU need to say people how to get in simple way Emacs dev. source, not
> how to complicate their life. I need source only to build etc. not to
> became e developer!
You could start by following the repeated advice here about not using
--lightweight checkouts of the upstream branch. That extends to
--stacked branches too.
It was said here that the disk space you save with --lightweight has the
cost of long and slow operations across the 'net and loss of
independence. Now you are experiencing that effect.
[snip]
--
Óscar
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 14:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 15:05 ` Angelo Graziosi
@ 2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-05 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-05 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: emacs-devel, angelo.graziosi
> This means I have to re-download the full trunk?
No, just edit branch.conf and change trunk to emacs-23 in the
parent_location.
When was this change made? I pulled in the repository on Jan 2 23:58
EST.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-05 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-01-05 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: angelo.graziosi, schwab, emacs-devel
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:31:40 -0500
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, angelo.graziosi@alice.it
>
> > This means I have to re-download the full trunk?
>
> No, just edit branch.conf and change trunk to emacs-23 in the
> parent_location.
>
> When was this change made? I pulled in the repository on Jan 2 23:58
> EST.
Are you using the http method or the sftp method? The problem
discussed here is only relevant to the former, not to the latter.
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 14:45 ` Angelo Graziosi
@ 2010-01-04 15:33 ` Sven Joachim
2010-01-04 17:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread
From: Sven Joachim @ 2010-01-04 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: emacs-devel, Angelo Graziosi
On 2010-01-04 15:32 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
>
>> This morning 'bzr up' fails:
>>
>> $ bzr up
>> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
>> (403 Forbidden) for
>> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
>
> May be related to the fact that trunk is a symlink now. As a workaround
> you can use the emacs-23 branch instead.
Thanks, that worked. But it downloaded 180 Megabyte of data for only
eight changed files.
Sven
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-04 14:45 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 15:33 ` Sven Joachim
@ 2010-01-04 17:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-04 17:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-04 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: Emacs, Angelo Graziosi
>> This morning 'bzr up' fails:
>> $ bzr up
>> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
>> (403 Forbidden) for
>> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
> May be related to the fact that trunk is a symlink now. As a workaround
> you can use the emacs-23 branch instead.
Can someone confirm that this is the culprit?
That'd be kind of annoying, but the use of symlinks is not crucial, so
if that's the problem, we can revert to the previous setup.
Stefan
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* Re: BZR error!
2010-01-04 10:01 Angelo Graziosi
2010-01-04 12:30 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-01-04 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-01-04 21:39 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-06 3:24 ` Karl Fogel
2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread
From: Tom Tromey @ 2010-01-04 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Emacs
>>>>> "Angelo" == Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:
Angelo> $ bzr up
Angelo> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request
Angelo> (403 Forbidden) for
Angelo> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
I get this same error when following the "Initializing Your Local Bazaar
Repository" directions on the wiki.
Tom
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