From: Dave Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Subwindow terminology
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 01:16:31 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2aa89d30w.fsf@boostpro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EB64A64.8080902@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:50:44 +0100")
on Sun Nov 06 2011, martin rudalics <rudalics-AT-gmx.at> wrote:
>> So sometimes a child window is not necessarily a descendant window? If
>> so, that's just horrible.
>
> Some child windows have been adopted by their parents, others not.
> What's so horrible about that?
> Alternatively, we would have to demand that a fresh frame always has a
> parent window with one child window which doesn't strike me as very
> useful.
It's a broken metaphor if a child of X is not also a descendant of X,
and terribly counter-intuitive. I don't have any idea what it means for
a child window to be adopted, and I don't think it matters.
>> If you don't want to change the "subwindow" terminology, maybe "child
>> window" should become "immediate subwindow" or "direct subwindow."
>
> I already regret that I started to describe the window tree at all. Do
> you think that I did not consider alternative ways of doing that?
I wasn't aiming my suggestion at you in particular. I don't think
anything, the particular alternative I suggested might not have been
considered.
> Window trees are described in terms of four well known concepts - root
> window, parent window, child window and subwindow. All these relations
> have been in the Emacs sources for years (think of `frame-root-window',
> the parent and vchild/hchild fields in the window structure, or the
> routine delete_all_subwindows) and I don't have much interest changing
> anything here. I didn't use the terms "ancestor" and "descendant"
> because these would introduce a genealogical connotation that doesn't
> exist.
I'm sorry, but you did. You said "often a parent window is
genealogically a descendant..." Of course, you were explaining why the
term descendant was misleading, but I wouldn't have posted at all if it
weren't for the fact that you used these terms together.
--
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-06 9:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-05 4:36 Subwindow terminology Chong Yidong
2011-11-05 11:23 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-05 12:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-11-05 13:28 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-05 13:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-11-05 15:05 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-05 16:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-11-05 20:31 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-11-06 8:50 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-06 9:16 ` Dave Abrahams [this message]
2011-11-06 10:59 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-06 11:36 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-11-06 13:24 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-06 9:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-11-06 10:59 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-06 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-11-06 23:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-11-07 10:18 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-08 9:55 ` Chong Yidong
2011-11-06 22:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-11-07 10:17 ` martin rudalics
2011-11-07 10:16 ` martin rudalics
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