From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: cl-pushnew and other functions Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:38:06 -0500 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340944702 9749 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2012 04:38:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:38:22 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 29 06:38:21 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SkSyG-000380-SS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:38:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45820 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkSyG-0005Jv-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:38:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60329) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkSyE-0005Jm-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:38:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkSyB-0008ST-QH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:38:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.213.169]:38945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkSyB-0008SJ-J9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:38:11 -0400 Original-Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so2839371yen.0 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:organization:mail-followup-to:date :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=nGU82TyedeocA4T6Dg5G+C533rYASUiX/pLZoShEYqc=; b=IV5FVo/msvezZXVApH3Y/df+Q2dgxwjZTIK5a5iPb0A+9dKUWjyDUzYveYbKhZPN19 m3Kjyq4Q0gFkMocccoDDLhxeRLX/BjSYqUnyN8LQwB3ixsrwHl4Wc3He2TgspuEzOUUL 6DvTBI2wX6SH2Euehzj1P/l/js9ssQr5+fvcrvdMsB1T2SzMhnLo/qDIPYw4uW15aWD+ mcj1/iamV0PCXu+mKS7I9hDKwtaqf3P392sPALFI1acabWmg0RuUGwpQDZncIW7TBq4K JXUpJqKqQmbIVkIkSWsHD+HJpHH/oeveUwARjlHgPSkCwzNs0dDv1/lq2iU0HpF5lafT h+9Q== Original-Received: by 10.50.217.163 with SMTP id oz3mr94127igc.5.1340944689828; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from vulcan.local (c-98-215-105-167.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.215.105.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm2170217igw.14.2012.06.28.21.38.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D9800F216C30; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:38:06 -0500 (CDT) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.213.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151279 Archived-At: Why are we moving toward a "cl-" prefix for Common Lisp macros? Why can we not have function like pushnew in the global namespace? I think Emacs Lisp authors can benefit from a lot of these macro and functions, but I think it's very unfortunate if code is going to start getting littered with "cl-" prefixes for such common uses. Are we going to have cl-dolist and cl-incf, etc? I think the basic function in CL should just be considered part of the Emacs Lisp language, the same way that we have dolist in subr.el now. John