From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#745: pop-to-buffer, frames, and input focus Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:02:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <48AC851A.3020906@gmx.at> <48AD2FB5.3000204@gmx.at> <48ADD085.50505@gmx.at> <48AEEBB8.50201@gmx.at> <48AFFD26.3040204@gmx.at> <48B2B78C.9090407@gmx.at> <48B50C63.8010402@gmx.at> <48B69007.20604@gmx.at> <48B7181B.7080706@gmx.at> <48B7C0DA.8040104@gmx.at> Reply-To: Helmut Eller , 745@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220023746 29020 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 15:29:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 745@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 17:30:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZ5uH-0003hn-1V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:29:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44183 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5tI-0004AD-F2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5sv-00040R-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:27:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5ss-0003yu-3H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:27:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45287 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5sr-0003yf-74 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:27:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:56590) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ5sr-00086E-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:27:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7TFRTjN023590; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:27:30 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m7TFA85Z018960; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:10:08 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Helmut Eller Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:10:07 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 745 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 745-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B745.122002208216424 (code B ref 745); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:10:07 +0000 Original-Received: (at 745) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Aug 2008 15:01:22 +0000 Original-Received: from rolmail.net (cgp1.rolmail.net [195.254.252.190]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7TF1HRT016418 for <745@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:01:18 -0700 Original-Received: from dummy.name; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:01:15 +0200 Original-Received: from dummy.name; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:02:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <48B7C0DA.8040104@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:26:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:27:36 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:19856 Archived-At: * martin rudalics [2008-08-29 11:26+0200] writes: >> Emacs could first test whether the window manager is EWMH compliant > > How? Emacs can't even test whether the window manager is click to focus > or focus follows mouse. xterm.c:wm_supports implements the test already. By inspecting the _NET_SUPPORTED property on the root window. A compliant window manager must enumerate the supported features there. See http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/1.4/ar01s03.html#id2523263. E.g. for Sawfish I get shell$ xprop _NET_SUPPORTED _NET_SUPPORTED(ATOM) = _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW, _NET_CLIENT_LIST, _NET_CLIENT_LIST_STACKING, _NET_CLOSE_WINDOW, _NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP, _NET_DESKTOP_GEOMETRY, _NET_DESKTOP_NAMES, _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT, _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS, _NET_PROTOCOLS, _NET_SHOWING_DESKTOP, _NET_SUPPORTED, _NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK, _NET_WORKAREA, _NET_WM_DESKTOP, _NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_MOVE, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_BOTTOM, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_BOTTOMLEFT, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_BOTTOMRIGHT, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_LEFT, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_RIGHT, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_TOP, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_TOPLEFT, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_TOPRIGHT, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_SIZE_KEYBOARD, _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE_MOVE_KEYBOARD, _NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_STATE, _NET_WM_STATE_ABOVE, _NET_WM_STATE_ADD, _NET_WM_STATE_BELOW, _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN, _NET_WM_STATE_MAXIMIZED, _NET_WM_STATE_MAXIMIZED_HORZ, _NET_WM_STATE_MAXIMIZED_VERT, _NET_WM_STATE_REMOVE, _NET_WM_STATE_SHADED, _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_PAGER, _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR, _NET_WM_STATE_STICKY, _NET_WM_STATE_TOGGLE, _NET_WM_STRUT, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DOCK, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_TOOLBAR, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_MENU, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_UTILITY, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_SPLASH >> I also found the gtk_window_set_focus_on_map function. This seems to >> rely on the _NET_WM_USER_TIME EWMH. Sawfish ignores _NET_WM_USER_TIME, >> but it could be useful for other window managers. > > And this would have to be supplied by the user separately. Or is there > some way to get such basic information from window-managers? For a window manager which supports it, _NET_SUPPORTED will contain _NET_WM_USER_TIME. But it wouldn't hurt to set _NET_WM_USER_TIME to 0, because that should be interpreted as "disable focus-on-map". At least gtk_window_set_focus_on_map sets the property unconditionally. Helmut.