* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
@ 2012-10-28 16:16 Bruce Korb
2012-10-28 16:32 ` Bruce Korb
2012-10-28 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Korb @ 2012-10-28 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12750
For many years, I have selected text and then pasted it where I wanted.
There is a new feature in emacs: selected text is no longer in the
pasteable buffer. I must move my hand from the mouse to the keyboard
to copy the text and then back to the mouse to paste it. This is a bug.
Pending a fix in the next emacs release, how do I work around this problem?
Thank you!
$ rpm -q -a|grep -i emacs
emacs-24.2-15.8.2.x86_64
go-emacs-1.0.2-1.4.1.x86_64
emacs-info-24.2-15.8.2.noarch
emacs-x11-24.2-15.8.2.x86_64
emacs-nox-24.2-15.8.2.x86_64
emacs-el-24.2-15.8.2.noarch
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-28 16:16 bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works Bruce Korb
@ 2012-10-28 16:32 ` Bruce Korb
2012-10-28 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Korb @ 2012-10-28 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12750
On 10/28/12 09:16, Bruce Korb wrote:
> For many years, I have selected text and then pasted it where I wanted.
> There is a new feature in emacs: selected text is no longer in the
> pasteable buffer. I must move my hand from the mouse to the keyboard
> to copy the text and then back to the mouse to paste it. This is a bug.
> Pending a fix in the next emacs release, how do I work around this problem?
> Thank you!
>
> $ rpm -q -a|grep -i emacs
> emacs-24.2-15.8.2.x86_64
> go-emacs-1.0.2-1.4.1.x86_64
> emacs-info-24.2-15.8.2.noarch
> emacs-x11-24.2-15.8.2.x86_64
> emacs-nox-24.2-15.8.2.x86_64
> emacs-el-24.2-15.8.2.noarch
Some experimentation has allowed me to characterize the issue better.
Double click a word and paste the word works fine. The habit that
is broken is:
1. left click the end of some text
2. right click the start of some text
3. alt-shift-5 ctl-y (query replace followed by paste)
Expected result: the text I just selected would be in the query-replace buffer
Actual result: the previous paste buffer gets inserted
Still a nuisance.
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-28 16:16 bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works Bruce Korb
2012-10-28 16:32 ` Bruce Korb
@ 2012-10-28 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-10-28 20:14 ` Bruce Korb
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2012-10-28 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Korb; +Cc: 12750
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:16:13 -0700
> From: Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com>
>
> For many years, I have selected text and then pasted it where I wanted.
> There is a new feature in emacs: selected text is no longer in the
> pasteable buffer. I must move my hand from the mouse to the keyboard
> to copy the text and then back to the mouse to paste it. This is a bug.
Actually, it's a feature: it was deemed a Good Thing to behave like
the other GUI applications.
> Pending a fix in the next emacs release, how do I work around this problem?
See this entry in NEWS (what you want, if you still do, is at the
end):
** Selection changes.
The default handling of clipboard and primary selections has been
changed to conform with modern X applications. In short, most
commands for killing and yanking text now use the clipboard, while
mouse commands use the primary selection.
In the following, we provide a list of these changes, followed by a
list of steps to get the old behavior back if you prefer that.
*** `select-active-regions' now defaults to t.
Merely selecting text (e.g. with drag-mouse-1) no longer puts it in
the kill ring. The selected text is put in the primary selection, if
the system possesses a separate primary selection facility (e.g. X).
**** `select-active-regions' also accepts a new value, `only'.
This means to only set the primary selection for temporarily active
regions (usually made by mouse-dragging or shift-selection);
"ordinary" active regions, such as those made with C-SPC followed by
point motion, do not alter the primary selection.
**** `mouse-drag-copy-region' now defaults to nil.
*** mouse-2 is now bound to `mouse-yank-primary'.
This pastes from the primary selection, ignoring the kill-ring.
Previously, mouse-2 was bound to `mouse-yank-at-click'.
*** `x-select-enable-clipboard' now defaults to t on all platforms.
*** `x-select-enable-primary' now defaults to nil.
Thus, commands that kill text or copy it to the kill-ring (such as
M-w, C-w, and C-k) also use the clipboard---not the primary selection.
**** The "Copy", "Cut", and "Paste" items in the "Edit" menu are now
exactly equivalent to M-w, C-w, and C-y respectively.
**** Note that on MS-Windows, `x-select-enable-clipboard' was already
non-nil by default, as Windows does not support the primary selection
between applications.
*** To return to the previous behavior, do the following:
**** Change `select-active-regions' to nil.
**** Change `mouse-drag-copy-region' to t.
**** Change `x-select-enable-primary' to t (on X only).
**** Change `x-select-enable-clipboard' to nil.
**** Bind `mouse-yank-at-click' to mouse-2.
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-28 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2012-10-28 20:14 ` Bruce Korb
2012-10-28 20:57 ` Bruce Korb
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Korb @ 2012-10-28 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 12750
Hi Eli,
Thank you.
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> Actually, it's a feature: it was deemed a Good Thing to behave like
> the other GUI applications.
[...]
> See this entry in NEWS (what you want, if you still do, is at the
> end):
It is quite inconvenient to switch stuff like this without more readily
apparent announcements. Folks like me do not ever deliberately
update things, so we don't go reading "NEWS" of the 100+ things
that get updated automatically.
> ** Selection changes.
>
> The default handling of clipboard and primary selections has been
> changed to conform with modern X applications. In short, most
> commands for killing and yanking text now use the clipboard, while
> mouse commands use the primary selection.
Sounds like the mouse ought to be using the clipboard to me.
Using separate mechanisms is clumsy. This may explain why
I have so much difficulty pasting stuff into a Chrome buffer.
I think they must have it confused and wrong, too.
Seems to work okay in Firefox. For Chrome, I often must go figure out
where in heck the "edit"->"select" thingy is and go through that menu
operation in order to be able to paste my text.
The separation was not well considered. (expletives elided.)
> In the following, we provide a list of these changes, followed by a
> list of steps to get the old behavior back if you prefer that.
The "modern" approach is brain damaged, so, yes, I prefer it.
> *** To return to the previous behavior, do the following:
>
> **** Change `select-active-regions' to nil.
> **** Change `mouse-drag-copy-region' to t.
> **** Change `x-select-enable-primary' to t (on X only).
> **** Change `x-select-enable-clipboard' to nil.
> **** Bind `mouse-yank-at-click' to mouse-2.
It is really helpful to have explicit instructions:
*** To return to the previous behavior, add the following to your .emacs file:
(setq select-active-regions nil)
(setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
(setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
(setq x-select-enable-clipboard nil)
(global-set-key [mouse-2] 'mouse-yank-at-click)
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-28 20:14 ` Bruce Korb
@ 2012-10-28 20:57 ` Bruce Korb
2012-10-29 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-10-29 9:08 ` Chong Yidong
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Korb @ 2012-10-28 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 12750
Hi Eli,
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *** To return to the previous behavior, do the following:
>>
>> **** Change `select-active-regions' to nil.
>> **** Change `mouse-drag-copy-region' to t.
>> **** Change `x-select-enable-primary' to t (on X only).
>> **** Change `x-select-enable-clipboard' to nil.
>> **** Bind `mouse-yank-at-click' to mouse-2.
>
> It is really helpful to have explicit instructions:
>
> *** To return to the previous behavior, add the following to your .emacs file:
> (setq select-active-regions nil)
> (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
> (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
> (setq x-select-enable-clipboard nil)
> (global-set-key [mouse-2] 'mouse-yank-at-click)
I do need explicit instructions. This didn't work. I want to
highlight and paste
and highlight and yank. Both and. This isn't working. Help, please?
Thank you!!
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-28 20:57 ` Bruce Korb
@ 2012-10-29 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-10-29 8:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-10-29 9:08 ` Chong Yidong
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2012-10-29 3:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Korb; +Cc: 12750
> From: Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:57:56 -0700
> Cc: 12750@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> *** To return to the previous behavior, do the following:
> >>
> >> **** Change `select-active-regions' to nil.
> >> **** Change `mouse-drag-copy-region' to t.
> >> **** Change `x-select-enable-primary' to t (on X only).
> >> **** Change `x-select-enable-clipboard' to nil.
> >> **** Bind `mouse-yank-at-click' to mouse-2.
> >
> > It is really helpful to have explicit instructions:
> >
> > *** To return to the previous behavior, add the following to your .emacs file:
> > (setq select-active-regions nil)
> > (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
> > (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
t, not 't.
> > (setq x-select-enable-clipboard nil)
> > (global-set-key [mouse-2] 'mouse-yank-at-click)
>
> I do need explicit instructions. This didn't work. I want to
> highlight and paste
> and highlight and yank. Both and. This isn't working. Help, please?
See above.
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-29 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2012-10-29 8:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-10-29 14:07 ` Bruce Korb
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2012-10-29 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Bruce Korb, 12750
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:57:56 -0700
>> Cc: 12750@debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> *** To return to the previous behavior, do the following:
>> >>
>> >> **** Change `select-active-regions' to nil.
>> >> **** Change `mouse-drag-copy-region' to t.
>> >> **** Change `x-select-enable-primary' to t (on X only).
>> >> **** Change `x-select-enable-clipboard' to nil.
>> >> **** Bind `mouse-yank-at-click' to mouse-2.
>> >
>> > It is really helpful to have explicit instructions:
>> >
>> > *** To return to the previous behavior, add the following to your .emacs file:
>> > (setq select-active-regions nil)
>> > (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
>> > (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
>
> t, not 't.
Which is exactly the same.
Andreas.
--
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-28 20:57 ` Bruce Korb
2012-10-29 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2012-10-29 9:08 ` Chong Yidong
2012-10-29 12:02 ` Bruce Korb
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-10-29 9:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Korb; +Cc: 12750
Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com> writes:
>> (setq select-active-regions nil)
>> (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
>> (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
>> (setq x-select-enable-clipboard nil)
>> (global-set-key [mouse-2] 'mouse-yank-at-click)
>
> I do need explicit instructions. This didn't work. I want to
> highlight and paste and highlight and yank. Both and. This isn't
> working.
You have to be more specific than that. With a .emacs file, your
previous recipe
> 1. left click the end of some text
> 2. right click the start of some text
> 3. alt-shift-5 ctl-y (query replace followed by paste)
does indeed yank the text into the minibuffer.
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-29 9:08 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2012-10-29 12:02 ` Bruce Korb
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Korb @ 2012-10-29 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 12750
Hi Chong,
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Chong Yidong <cyd@gnu.org> wrote:
> Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> (setq select-active-regions nil)
>>> (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
>>> (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
>>> (setq x-select-enable-clipboard nil)
>>> (global-set-key [mouse-2] 'mouse-yank-at-click)
>>
>> I do need explicit instructions. This didn't work. I want to
>> highlight and paste and highlight and yank. Both and. This isn't
>> working.
>
> You have to be more specific than that. With a .emacs file, your
> previous recipe
>
>> 1. left click the end of some text
>> 2. right click the start of some text
>> 3. alt-shift-5 ctl-y (query replace followed by paste)
>
> does indeed yank the text into the minibuffer.
Hmm. OK, I use this many ways. Sometimes, I click button 2, sometimes
I type Ctl-Y. Either way, I am very habituated to the selected text
being pasted.
I want to avoid having to remember Ctl-W/Ctl-C *ESPECIALLY* because I
don't even have Cmd-C working on my Mac. I have to use the pull down menu
to access "edit->copy". That becomes especially interesting when my
mouse crosses other emacs windows because if the mouse touches one
of them, then the selected text is no longer current and "edit->copy" grabs
a different block of text.
So, here's what I want: I want the selected text to be inserted into all
buffers that relate to pasting of any sort. If Mouse-2 and Ctl-Y refer to
different buffers, then both buffers should have the selected text.
How do I do this?
Thank you so much!! Regards, Bruce
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-29 8:44 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2012-10-29 14:07 ` Bruce Korb
2012-10-29 15:20 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Korb @ 2012-10-29 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: 12750
On 10/29/12 01:44, Andreas Schwab wrote:
>>>> It is really helpful to have explicit instructions:
>>>>
>>>> *** To return to the previous behavior, add the following to your .emacs file:
>>>> (setq select-active-regions nil)
>>>> (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
>>>> (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
>>
>> t, not 't.
>
> Which is exactly the same.
Either I really fumble-fingered the stuff (very possible), or it isn't exactly
the same. After changing "'t" to "t" I've found that it works.
Perhaps I should change it back to "'t" to see if, indeed, it causes
it to not work the way I need it to. I don't know. I _do_ know
that with:
> (setq select-active-regions nil)
> (setq mouse-drag-copy-region t)
> (setq x-select-enable-primary t)
> (setq x-select-enable-clipboard nil)
> (global-set-key [mouse-2] 'mouse-yank-at-click)
all my pasting works the way it should. I know this:
* I highlighted and pasted into this email (mouse-2)
(I later cut and pasted-as-quotation)
* I highlighted and clicked button 2 and pasted in emacs
* I highlighted and yanked (Ctl-Y) in emacs
That's what I needed!
Thank you all. Regards, Bruce
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* bug#12750: Highlighting text no longer works
2012-10-29 14:07 ` Bruce Korb
@ 2012-10-29 15:20 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2012-10-29 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Korb; +Cc: 12750
Bruce Korb <bruce.korb@gmail.com> writes:
> On 10/29/12 01:44, Andreas Schwab wrote:
>>>>> It is really helpful to have explicit instructions:
>>>>>
>>>>> *** To return to the previous behavior, add the following to your .emacs file:
>>>>> (setq select-active-regions nil)
>>>>> (setq mouse-drag-copy-region 't)
>>>>> (setq x-select-enable-primary 't)
>>>
>>> t, not 't.
>>
>> Which is exactly the same.
>
> Either I really fumble-fingered the stuff (very possible), or it isn't exactly
> the same.
You can find out yourself: (eq t 't)
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
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