From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributors and maintainers Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:54:22 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <87zizfm2dq.fsf@T420.taylan> <871tcr7yvq.fsf@fastmail.com> <87mvvfm0bd.fsf@T420.taylan> <56250803.5080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87a8ren5ys.fsf@T420.taylan> <56259BB1.3070908@cs.ucla.edu> <878u6ykmvt.fsf@T420.taylan> <87h9llvo98.fsf@members.fsf.org> <5626622A.3090707@yandex.ru> <87zizdijbp.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267302.7050606@yandex.ru> <87io61igyu.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267CDF.6010201@yandex.ru> <87wpuhh15s.fsf@T420.taylan> <562683B9.1060305@yandex.ru> <83y4exe71v.fsf@gnu.org> <87zizcfzna.fsf@T420.taylan> <22055.55019.169614.692955@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445453745 21297 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2015 18:55:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: taylanbayirli@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xm9sm10431964pbc.32.2015.10.21.11.55.11 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 183C5F5B3997; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22055.55019.169614.692955@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:18:19 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , taylanbayirli@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192315 Archived-At: >>>>> Stephen J Turnbull writes: > N.B. Here I hope that by "agree" John means "agree that we both have the > same understanding of the issue". Sometimes different value systems means > that although we do understand the issue the same way, we take different > positions, and will still not agree on what to do. But that's rarely a > complete blocker to cooperation. Thank you for that clarification, Stephen. "Agree" here means that we both agree the bike is blue, not that we both agree it should be. You remind me of a funny story. Once, early in my marriage, I had this green shirt that was somewhat bluish. To my eyes, it was clearly green. To my wife's eyes, it was clearly blue. We both stood there, saying to one another, "It's blue! It's green! It's blue! It's green!" :) We at least agreed it was either blue or green, or ambiguously blue-green, that much was clear. But the exact shade was not clear, even though it was *crystal* clear to each of us alone. John