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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>,
	"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	"Emacs developers" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 12:55:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m28u3yiibj.fsf_-_@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP_d_8UNuOAr7Y3+9xCW0=rmmHbpfrN0oEgrg6fD9jhftK9jzg@mail.gmail.com> (Yuri Khan's message of "Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:05:50 +0600")

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>>>>> Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:

> Emacs already contains a feature that filters out many defined functions
> from M-x. It’s called (interactive). Functions that are not declared
> interactive are not offered as completion candidates, and in fact cannot be
> executed with M-x.

OK Yuri, now you've got me excited. Let's not talk about "filtering M-x";
let's talk about making `interactive' conditional. The former is a UI concern,
while the latter I consider a core API issue.

Right now, functions are interactive if declared with `interactive', and not
otherwise. The suggestion at hand is to allow `interactive' forms to become
conditional -- possibly in multiple ways. I like this concept, and think the
right place for it is indeed in core.

The question is how to declare such conditionality. We can do this rather
easily by accepting new keyword arguments to `interactive':

    (interactive "sDirectory: " [:mode foo-mode] [:when <function>])

This way, all new modes can take advantage of this support as it becomes
available. I've already tested on 24.5, and keyword arguments are silently
ignored by present-day GNU Emacs. This gives us transparent compatibility in
both directions. We could also do it with (declare); I'm open to that too, and
it also gives us such compatibility.

At first, I imagine nothing delivered with Emacs will be conditional, because
it requires annotating packages retroactively. We could alleviate some of that
by writing code to automatically consider every interactive function *without
an autoload token* as being conditional on any modes defined in the same
package (likely determined by prefix matching). The use of such automation
would be configurable and off by default, at least until we believe it's ready
for prime-time.

Thus, proper UI behavior for M-x falls out by design, and we get to make use
of conditionality for other purposes, such as better errors when command
functions are called outside their expected environment.

I'm open to a feature branch implementing such conditionality, as a candidate
for merging to master. As described above, I expect the C code impact to be
fairly minimal, and the changes to `M-x' to also be minor. The automation
logic seems like the trickiest part, as it would have to happen whenever a
feature is loaded.

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John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-01-09 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-25  6:21 4K Bugs Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25  7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 17:00 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:30   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:51     ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:53       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:59         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 18:27           ` jpff
2015-12-25 18:35             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:33           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 18:40             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:54               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:46                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:06                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:36               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 19:56               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 20:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 13:16           ` Michael Albinus
2015-12-26  8:07   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 10:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 15:14       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 16:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:41           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 16:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:59               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 17:55                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 17:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:12                     ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:21                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:42                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27 22:41               ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  9:44                 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-28 20:18               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 16:59             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 17:48               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-28 20:15                 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 14:55     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-27  6:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-07 20:10 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-07 22:38   ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:26     ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  9:20       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-07 23:32   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08  0:17   ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-08 12:49     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08  1:41   ` Alexis
2016-01-08  1:50     ` Richard Copley
2016-01-08  2:41       ` Alexis
2016-01-09  1:51         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08 12:48     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:06     ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:59       ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 14:12         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-09  2:52       ` Alexis
2016-01-10 15:58         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11  8:05           ` Alexis
2016-01-08  8:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 12:57     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:37       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:52       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11 13:52         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-11 16:18           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 15:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-08 23:16     ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx (was: 4K Bugs) Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  0:22       ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx John Wiegley
2016-01-09  0:55         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  1:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-09  1:54             ` Spencer Boucher
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:37                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  2:15             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:49                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-09  3:09             ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:08           ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:33             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  9:05             ` Yuri Khan
2016-01-09 19:27               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09 20:55               ` John Wiegley [this message]
2016-01-09 21:53                 ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Drew Adams
2016-01-11 12:02                   ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10  9:02                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 10:09                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 17:55                     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <CAAdUY-Kfm-0JbOLpi4KE5wkmp6hfG+-y3V-_vTExaFkmF5RmEg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-10 12:36                     ` Artur Malabarba
2016-01-11  3:46                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-11 15:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11  6:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11  6:48                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 14:08                       ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-11 16:34                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-12  4:46                           ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-12  4:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 15:15                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-12  2:14                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 15:27                 ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Alan Mackenzie
2016-01-10 16:47                   ` Making `interactive' conditional Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:23                     ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 19:31                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 22:40                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 23:19                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:22                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Drew Adams
2016-01-11  6:29                     ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11 11:48                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 18:33                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 22:28                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-11  6:19                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19  6:24                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 10:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 11:17                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 13:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19 16:52                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-19 15:28                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:20                       ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 17:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 18:39                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 19:02                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:23                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  8:06         ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-09 14:50           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09 17:32           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10  8:53             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-04  3:19                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10 16:14                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-08 10:50   ` 4K Bugs Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:21     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:33       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 14:08         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:21           ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  8:42             ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11 13:54               ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 19:27         ` Stephen Leake
2016-01-08 20:52           ` Michael Albinus

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