From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs (was: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?) 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fk10sm25430534pab.33.2016.03.07.09.16.29 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 09:16:30 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: John Wiegley Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 59FB3135724A5; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Mar 2016 18:58:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , mthl@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201061 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > But the discussion is not the main issue. We should actually go back to > having an actively maintained ChangeLog file in the repository, something we > stopped doing a year ago. If there's agreement to that, I rest my case. OK, let's shift this discussion in that direction again. Given that there are active developers who appreciate and use the ChangeLog format, I don't think we are going to remove them just yet. Instead, the question has been raised as to whether we should go back to maintaining ChangeLog files manually, or continue to generate them from version control as we do now. My vote is to continue generating from version control, and Eli would like to go back to direct maintenance. What do others think? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2