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[174.192.22.125]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h124sm15529469qke.40.2017.01.31.07.08.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 31 Jan 2017 07:08:37 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7620C86C9D1; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:08:36 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:22:20 +0100") Mail-Followup-To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , David Engster , Bastien Guerry , Emacs developers , emacs-org list , Phillip Lord , Kaushal Modi X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:111784 gmane.emacs.devel:211794 Archived-At: >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> I'm massively unenthusiastic about this future. Things in ELPA has to be LI> backwards-and-forwards compatible with a wide Emacs version range, which LI> makes maintaining things much more work. When you develop things in "Emacs LI> core", you have one specific target and can make large internal changes LI> without these considerations. So far, all of these arguments against a tighter development integration with ELPA have been predicated on the way that ELPA is used today. ELPA is under our control; we can adjust our process to suit the needs of Emacs development. LI> Emacs doesn't seem to have a massive surfeit of developers, so I wonder LI> where this plan comes from. It comes from the desire to decouple the development of large, mostly external projects, from core Emacs. They don't belong in Emacs.git. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2